Idk how I feel about this argument. My reply might be filled with ignorance so correct me if i’m wrong. However, a lot of the times, don’t victims realize or feel like they weren’t raped at the actual instance because they convinced themselves it wasn’t, when in reality it was??? And isn't exploring your sexuality in an instance where you didn’t originally give consent still rape. Like isnt this just instead where writing takes on a common rape trope of “sex” -> feels good all of sudden. I worded this badly, sorry. ;-;
I agree with this. The whole "what counts for r*pe is when the victim felt they were r*ped" point is weird. There's many stories of victims themselves thinking if they were at fault for maybe getting drunk one instance or was it just something on their behalf, so maybe they think because it's their fault, they weren't really r*ped and feel afraid to speak up on it.
I completely agree with the point you made saying "an instance where you didn't originally give consent is still r*pe" and that it's definity a common trope in these types of stories and just in the "yaoi" genre in general, they always gloss over characters getting r*ped so it's not surprising to see anymore, which sucks cause now people are getting used to it and they'll pull all stops to defend it for some reason, maybe cause the character looks "hot" or sm. Idk what lanansha is trying to say and why someone would try so hard to justify a character that has r*ped another but it's just sad to see lol. I also haven't read even a chapter of this but I saw the comment and just wanted to join ig.
No. When you’re raped, you know you were. It’s not always as obvious, but there’s still a sense of wrongness about it. A sense of something that isn’t right, per say. Sure, victims can feel it’s their fault. It happens a lot. However, they don’t generally end up feeling like they want a repeat of the act, which is how Andy felt here.
As for exploring the sexuality part, I’m talking about Andy in general. Like how he acted like he absolutely hated witnessing all that talk about the two male leads being into each other and so forth, when the story started. We understood he was in denial about it because of how hard he blushed after Martin came on to him despite how disgusted he looked about it. He then categorically rejected him, yet deep down wanted more of it, so he kept going back for more. So I’ve observed their dynamics through the pattern of Andy’s behavior, rather than through the part of the sex scene that has everyone call it rape. If the scene ended with him in tears thinking it was too much or it hurt and he wanted it to stop, then yeah. Rape—but it didn’t.
Yea after reading your first 2 sentences I just knew I didn't have it in me to read the rest lol. Have a nice day though!
That’s fine, I can only speak from my own experience plus my understanding on yaoi’s take on rape in general. That’s all it’s about. My truth isn’t everyone’s truth.
I thought I’d just address/share my thoughts on this, since the rape comments still persist. When it comes to yaoi, the answer to that is simple:
What counts as rape is when the victim felt they were raped. Not when the reader interpreted it to be rape due to the author’s inability to portray the scene as it should’ve been portrayed, had that been the case.
What counts for rape is when the victim feels they were abused. Did Andy want Martin to be gentle? Yes. Was Martin a dick for going at it like that request was never made to him? Yes. I mean, why bother asking if you’ll ignore him anyway? Did Andy who has basically been exploring his sexuality since Martin first approached him, actually enjoy the experience? Yes. Did it scare him? Yes. Did he reject Martin ever since the very first time he came on to him? Yes. He did. Every step of the way. Yet he keep going back to him despite it all, which then meant that he simply was in denial about what he truly wanted.
If I’d written this piece, I would’ve made sure that the readers understood that Martin is actually capable of understanding what Andy truly requires or enjoys from his partner. That despite his denials, Andy truly likes it rough and that scares him to the point of tears. However, the writer didn’t make that clear, which is why the readers are now split into three categories: those who saw their sex scene as rape, those who didn’t and those who are uncomfortable because they can’t call it rape, but they still don’t think it was okay.
Clearly, Andy doesn’t feel raped, which is why at the end of that last sex scene between them, these thoughts occurred to him: “It feels good. I want to do more.” (Hence why I said he’s exploring his sexuality + he truly likes it rough).