Totally Agree T-T
Honey kissing is cheating depending on the circunstantes and it also goes with sex. It wasn't something he iniciated, it wasn't something he wanted either, he didn't even respond to the kiss. Let's see if a kiss was cheating no matter what then keichii has been cheating on Shingo for a long time now (given his job he has probably kiss many people for scenes and to explain my first statement let's think about this: If a person in a relationships was raped, would it coin as cheating? I mean at the end of the day that person had sex with somebody else who wasn't his/her partner
(I'm the anon form above) and the reason he is being "evasive" about it is because it doesn't mean anything to him, it's not a problem. Keichii's feelings towards Shingo haven't changed and neither the lack of feelings he has for the other guy, it doesn't change anything and bringing it up would cause unnecessary troubles (that came anyway but still) because let's be honest here: how would Shingo react to the news that his boyfriend was kissed by someone who he works with off screen? It would have been a mess and let's not forget that the director is someone who can help Keichii professionally, he doesn't want any trouble with him either. He doesn't kiss him back but he doesn't entirely reject him and he treats him coldly. He doesn't want him in his life more than he already is so why would he bring him up? It's not to justify him or say that the way he did things was the best, it's just to give a different perspective to the matter
Agree kissing is cheating he let another person physically touch him in a sexual manner.
Even if it's not consensual? Because in this case I don't think it was even if he didn't reacted the way you wanted...
And did not come back (home to Shingo) till the next day.
Are you saying Keiichi did anything to prevent the kiss? Dude hot people get hit on all the time if its not called cheating when flirts offer then we'd havw hot babies all over the place
Even when the camera guy touches shingo's butt while he was on the ladder working Keiichi was MAD. It didnt mean anything to Shingo and he didnt see it coming but someone is PISSED OFF. Keiichi on the othr hand knew he was getting kissed and didnt avoid at all.
Just because another person initiated it doesn't mean it is nonconsensual. Nonconsensual would mean that Keichii indicated to the other person that it was unwanted and either said or did something to make it clear the other should not do such things. Not responding is arguable (it's hard to tell really) but there was no clear rejection, and there should have been. Keichii let this man hang on him in a familiar way in front of Shingo and never explained who this man was. This is not something that happened on set in a script--it happened when Keichii willingly went out with another man. It may not have meant anything to Keichii, but it was clearly bothering Shingo, so if Keichii really loves Shingo, Keichii would talk to Shingo about it and do something to make it clear to the other person that Keichii is exclusively with Shingo.
I'm not saying he did anything to prevent it, either way it doesn't mean he wanted to do it. Keichi has always and still is showing a cold façade in front of that guy which is based on keeping distance and showing no emotion and that guy is doing everything he can to break it.
I'm sorry, I clearly missed the part where Keichii smiled after the kiss and jumped into the guy's arms...
Anyway, it can be non consensual without saying any word or just giving a disapproval stare (such is the case in my opinion) and it goes the same way with consent: you don't have to say it or show it in an exaggerated way you just have to make the other person understand that you accept; I'm not saying it was non consensual because he didn't initiate it.
OOOOH WAIT WAIT WAIT I just opened up the page again, he did turn his face away!! and in the panel where the other one grabs his face it seems kind of forceful is that enough? ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kuroneko_kareshi_no_afurekata/mf/v01/c005/5/)
Whatever, as I said before, I'm not justifying his actions or saying is the best way to deal with problems, I'm just giving a different perspective about why he did the things he did.
Thats not called grabbing a face thats lifting his chin up for a kiss. Theres noway a guy cant break out of that even with minimum effort. I dont know how come you think its ok for your boyfriend to kiss another person. However I would really want to be as open hearted as you are then I wont feel disgusted about cheating. As you said Keichi is cheating only physically not emotionally but I would still disapprove of physical unfaithfulness as well even if its less severe(?). Anyways its the difference in tolerance when talking about unfaithfulness so there is no point in arguing anymore I guess. Actually even holding hands, hugging or going on a date with another person is considered cheating for me so maybe we are really on a different wavelength and noone is wrong its just that our values are different.
okay dont you think he should respect his partner by not getting involved in any sexual or intimate activity with another person when he can? He is being passive when he shouldnt be for no apparent reason. Even if there is a reason he didnt explai himself and that aint cool.
It's not to drag on the discussion because I agree with you that this matter is very subjective but there is a thing about this page that is just a detail actually that I didn't explain because I seriously just realised it and was thinking about another thing that is how the panels are used. First of all, the repetition of the same angle is usually used to show that something happens quickly, to make a pause you usually change the angle to a wider angle or something (depending on which was the one being used and that is not the only way to set the pace of a comic scene) as it was used on the last one, therefore, the approaching, being rejected part and the kiss were actually quick, it's likely Keichii wasn't expecting a comeback but anyway, those are technicalities (that I suggest you have in mind along with other ones when you read comics or mangas because it really enhances the reading in my opinion and i suer I'm not bullshitting you, I had to study it for a class in my university) but there is also the part of what the author means: there is a reason for that panel of rejection to exist that of course you can read it as you want.
Anyways, I never said that holding hands, hugging or going on a date weren't cheating (well, the last one is cheating, I mean the word date has a romantic connotation by itself) but I do think it depends on the situation and the value the other person gives it. But yeah, as I said, it really is a subjective topic.
do you realize their faces are in the kissing range and Angelo's hands was on Keichi's face vefore the kiss? The act of place your hand in the position tilting chin up is already a warning for a kiss! Its like so common in comics dramas movies and everyday life ~ so Keichi would have know Angelo's going to kiss him by then and I dont think he cant move his face away as fast as Angelo can move in for a kiss. Actually keichi's face was actually lowered down during the kissing panel suggesting that there is time for movement "away" rather than "into" the kiss. This is not my post anyway I think we are spamming lets stop Im so mad a keichi not you anyway lol but everything is just fictional so we cant just say whats there and whats not if its not drawn out so I wiuld say what im interpreting is not any more correct than what yours is because the mangaka could have added another panel and the whole connotation could be completely different so yeah! ahahha im heated for a debate after reading a chapter and might be too excessive but when i cooled down i feel like i was too into it :p
Well, what's enough for me is stepping back when the guy puts his hands on you and saying, "I am with somebody." in a way that clearly shuts him down. But I can see not everyone thinks that should happen.
They're probably pro-polygamy or else they wouldn't be supporting cheating :( Actually polygamy is supposed to be consensual or at least reluctantly consensual but Shingo has no say in this so cheating is not actually polygamy >< Its worse!! I think what you said zkeichi should do is enough too it was a pretty simple and diplomatic way. Keiichi isnt a stupid guy and soccially capable too. So why???
Polyamorous is okay if everyone is honest and agrees. I also wouldn't worry about it if Shingo were not picking up on the fact that something is wrong. Shingo is not okay with it, and Keiichi's response is to be evasive and make decisions without talking to Shingo.
yes in the end it is not really about the kiss, the real problem is honesty and communication. Thats all the couple need at the moment.
Are there people who don't think a kiss is cheating? I was just wondering because some people think Shingo should be trusting Keichii--but Keichii was already kissing someone else. It may not be as bad as having sex, but it is cheating. How do you trust someone who is cheating and then being evasive about it?
I want them back together, but it is wrong to kiss someone else when you are supposed to be in love. Keichii was making huge promises about how he will never let Shingo down. The kiss broke that promise. There has to be some reckoning for that.