I think you make this difference because you understand what this kind of manga works, it serves to fulfill sexual fantasies and it's fine like it is. A different kind of fiction works in a different way. Even if I disagree with the use of "the fantasy rape" I understand that something like that is appealing to a certain kind of audience and I respect that. It's the same with the fact that many characters in this fiction are abusive persons, even if they result fascinating and interesting. It's the way this story works. If I got in real life someone like Asami I would run away. :)
Viewfinder is a fun break from reality. Picking it apart takes away the entertainment value imo . None of it is like RL anyways ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Sorry about that. :) Sometimes I enjoy picking at things. I know it's fiction.
Lady L and Ana are both right and what you are saying makes sense. but he is just part of the landscape. Put it behind you. If viewfinder were RL: Takaba would have bitten his dish ( beard man). Most of the people Takaba knows would be dead: killed by Asami. hahahaha." Mine"
Well, in real life, I'd like to think I would record the evidence and charge Asami with rape, but it would be hard without some kind of support since chances are the police and prosecutor are on Asami's side. I might simply run and blog anonymously about his misdeeds. I would try to get at him from the shadows somehow, even if I wasn't very effective.
I would also like to believe that I would have grabbed Sakazaki's balls and squeezed till he told me what I want to know, but I have never done anything like that. The most I have ever done is defend myself if someone else grabbed me, and that only worked because I was lucky. "Run away" is a legitimate plan. I would hope I could glare and walk away. But I would run if I didn't feel safe.
I would probably have told someone else about the Mitarai-Sakazaki connection--maybe Ai since I would have hypothetically tried to put Asami in jail for the rape. I would see if Ai knew people who work or worked for Sakazaki, or with Aya/Mayu. Then I would try to get her to have them over and pump them for information after a few bottles of wine. I guess I would be much more of a girly gossipy investigator. But in my fantasy, I would kick ass. The things I say in my head are devastating.
Maybe I want my fantasy characters to do the kind of things I only do in my head--that's why I think it would be great character development for Aki to kick Sakazaki in the balls the next time Sakazaki tries to pull that sh*t.
I'm kind of with Ana about the picking apart but for a different reason. Much as I love Finder, it doesn't always bear this kind of analysis, which will sometimes highlight flaws. For example, Asami saying that whoever had strangled Aki only got pleasure out of violence. But that isn't really what happened with Yuri. Yuri attacked out of self-loathing. There was no pleasure involved there. So that comparison didn't work for me in the story.
And I can't believe this but I'm going to defend Sakazaki a little bit. In their initial encounter, Sakazaki was pretty confident he could make Aki feel good if Aki agreed to have sex with him. So on some level, he was considering Aki's pleasure. In their last encounter, Aki certainly didn't go to Sakazaki looking for pleasure but rather to use Sakazaki for his own ends, so it's really kind of hard to blame Sakazaki for not making sure Aki had a good time there.
I was forgetting to say, in my last comment, that some characters are built to be fascinating even in their cruelty (Asami, Feilong) and others, instead, are built to be only distasteful (as Yuri and Yan Tzui ). Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that Asami intended "pleasure out of violence" in a generic way, even if he knew nothing about what really happened to the poor guy. Maybe he thinks (it sounds weird) that everyone attacks someone else in that way is for pleasure.
Aki knew, though, but responded as though Asami's assumption was correct, which felt more like what the mangaka wanted for the scene than what would have organically grown out of Aki's trauma.
Yes, I understand and I'm agree with you.
That is how I read it too. :)
To be fair, I don't know that Aki knew YTuri's reasons. I'm not sure Aki was processing that much about Yuri at the time. Aki doesn't speak Russian, and Aki didn't hear the things Mikhail said to Asami and Fei or see the scars. Aki knows Yuri attacked him, but not why. Besides, I think at the time Asami was talking, Aki was thinking more about whether he trusted Asami and wanted Asmi to take control of it--not whether there were nuances to Yuri's actions Asami didn't know. Aki didn't even tell Asami it was Yuri.
Seriously, girlfriend? This is just a manga... How many hours a day do you currently spend on this site? Three? Four? Do yourself a favour: Find yourself a nice boyfriend and a hobby. Live a little, rather than sitting in front of a computer screen all day long, contemplating the lives of characters that don't exist.
While Anoni Grll doesnt need me to come to her defense, this bothers me a lot. If you don't wanna see someone talking about it, scroll past, no one is forcing you to read. You have no right whatsoever to tell her what to do. If she wants to spend her time dissecting viewfinder, what is it to you? Does it hurt you in anyway? If for some reason she spends her entire life on this site, it's none of your business. You don't feed or clothe her, neither are you responsible for her. So stop with the criticism.
Thanks. I do spend a lot of time here. It's a distraction and I have reasons--but even if that were not the case, it's not as if it hurts anyone that I have this hobby instead of some other hobby. I know people who gossip about real people all day--and that can get nasty.
Sorry, but how would you know how much time she is here unless you are here too? I come here a lot too.
This thought is somehow hard for me to express clearly, so bear with me a little. As a personal preference, even in fiction, I tend to distinguish between someone who acts badly but ultimately cares about another person (or at least the other's pleasure) and a character that treats others as objects. It's difficult for me to explain why I put some characters in the "sexy beast' or "redeemable bad boy" category but I think of others as the "selfish frat boys" or "entitled drunk at a tittie bar" type. Of course, every character can develop and change, and both the former and the later types may act objectively similar, but I still think there is a difference.
So how is Asami different from, say, Yuri? Asami dominates, rapes, generally does as he pleases, and sometimes uses violence to get what he wants, but I can see it as a type of fictional seduction (I know some others don't). For me, the key is in whether the aggressive one sees the uke as a person and tries to bring the uke pleasure (even if the pleasure is mixed with humiliation). For example, remember the time Asami chokes Aki?
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v05/c030.1/27/
Yuri got pleasure through the violence because Yuri only saw Aki as a thing that Yuri projected his own self-loathing on. Asami will also choke Aki, but he will do it in a way that brings pleasure. At one level, they both choked Aki. But at another level, one treated Aki like a thing to take frustrations out on, and the other treated Aki like a person who could be seduced and given pleasure even in pain.
It's sort of like how, ideally, in BDSM a dom pushes the sub because that's what the dom believes the sub wants, but the dom actually does it for the sub. A good dom makes sure the sub gets pleasure, even when it's through pain or humiliation. Even in non-BDSM scenes, I think part of that still applies. The aggressive person should at the very least try to make sure the other person feels pleasure of some sort, and not just act in power over the other without regard to the other's humanity.
Of course, there are cases where the distinction gets muddled. Consider Fei, who initially took out his feelings about Asami on Aki but who eventually saw Aki as a person. Consider Sakazaki, who sees Aki as a person, but a person who can be used, much like a thing. To me, Fei always seemed to have personal feelings involved and I was happy with Fei's character development. Sakazaki could also grow, and he may have a human side, but as long as he treats people in general like things and disregards the pleasure of his unwilling partners, I kind of want someone to serve him a dose of karma. So, I put Fei on the "complicated human with twisted but real feelings" side oft he line, but right now, I see Sakazaki as a spoiled entitled user who does not give others pleasure.
Does that make any sense?