I can understand how we all got mad at Ibuki at some point in this, but it also just seems...

jazc20 March 17, 2016 8:20 am

I can understand how we all got mad at Ibuki at some point in this, but it also just seems like a total lack of communication. Like they both want what's best for the other and believe they should stay away but they don't realize they need each other to be happy.

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    manganiME May 18, 2016 9:35 am

    Um, no. We got pissed at Ibuki for not showing up at the promised time. Even if it was to tell Haru that he didn't want a relationship and etc. He simply did not show up and abandoned Haru altogether without a word. THAT is one shitty thing to do. And I still am angry about that.

    manganiME May 18, 2016 9:41 am

    Well, and because he's a coward that hides in a "normal" relationship.

    jazc20 May 18, 2016 2:12 pm

    No I get that. Like yeah it might've been total dick of him, but you know when you're in a relationship with someone else, do you still keep your promises with your ex? And like I think that Ibuki forced himself into believing he was over Haru, until he saw him again. And I want to believe that he thought he was in love with his girlfriend (or cared for her) to some extent, because you know she was there for him when he was all alone. So it does make sense that he would not show up, no matter how much he loved Haru, even if its just to "keep up an image". Overall I think its both their faults that things are like this, but it was also destiny's cruelty.

    manganiME May 18, 2016 8:48 pm
    No I get that. Like yeah it might've been total dick of him, but you know when you're in a relationship with someone else, do you still keep your promises with your ex? And like I think that Ibuki forced himsel... jazc20

    That wawsn't a promise with "your ex." That was a very specific promise. He didn't forget it. He simply decided not to show up. THAT was wrong.

    jazc20 May 18, 2016 8:55 pm
    That wawsn't a promise with "your ex." That was a very specific promise. He didn't forget it. He simply decided not to show up. THAT was wrong. manganiME

    Yeah, I get that. But Haru was still his ex no matter how you put it. And Ibuki was already in another relationship. Its a matter of respecting your partner. I think we all just feel angry because we know what Haru has been through, but you know if you look at it in terms or reality. That portrayal of not showing up was very realistic. I think most people would do that. Especially if they believe they are over it. Or they love their new partner.

    manganiME May 18, 2016 9:36 pm
    Yeah, I get that. But Haru was still his ex no matter how you put it. And Ibuki was already in another relationship. Its a matter of respecting your partner. I think we all just feel angry because we know what ... jazc20

    No, it's a matter of respecting your word. All he had to do was keep his promise to show up and say, "I'm in a relationship. I wish you well." Instead, he stood him up. Respecting your partner would mean: I made a promise 5 years ago. I have to go keep it. I will be back by X time. And to talk about it with your partner instead of keeping secrets. Closure is important--for both Haru and Ibuki. What Ibuki did was cowardly and dishonorable. A man keeps his word. As does a woman. When made.

    manganiME May 18, 2016 9:37 pm
    Yeah, I get that. But Haru was still his ex no matter how you put it. And Ibuki was already in another relationship. Its a matter of respecting your partner. I think we all just feel angry because we know what ... jazc20

    If most people FORGET, that's one thing. But to remember and just skip out is wrong. That most people would do it just means most people are shitty.

    jazc20 May 18, 2016 9:55 pm
    If most people FORGET, that's one thing. But to remember and just skip out is wrong. That most people would do it just means most people are shitty. manganiME

    Well, I do understand your point, but I can't side with it completely. Cause I think it would've been something normal. Especially after years have passes by, because if I would've been in Haru's shoes I probably could have understood it too. It would be understandable I believe.

    manganiME May 18, 2016 10:15 pm
    Well, I do understand your point, but I can't side with it completely. Cause I think it would've been something normal. Especially after years have passes by, because if I would've been in Haru's shoes I probab... jazc20

    Haru loves him and is very gentle and forgiving, but Ibuki knew that Haru had suffered immensely. To not keep the promise to me meant he didn't give a crap how much he hurt Haru by his no-show. Ibuki knew damn well he was sticking a knife in Haru's heart. He just was more intersested in himself. That's selfishness. AND selfishness, deceit, promise-breaking IS normal among humans. Hence all the heartbreak and divorce and wars and etc.

    But in my book, a man keeps his word. A man who knows another person has been bullied and suffered and knows how much Haru "feels"--he's a feeler type--should have gone.

    It's fine to disagree. But put yourself in Haru's shoes. And then put yourself in Ibuki's shoes. Who is the more honorable? Who is the better person.

    It's not Ibuki. He acted like a a shit. I hope he suffers. A lot.

    jazc20 May 18, 2016 11:48 pm

    Well, I suppose but you know everyone suffers. And although what Ibuki went through wasn't half of what Haru did, I don't think its fair to just say he deserves to suffer.

    manganiME May 19, 2016 4:46 am
    Well, I suppose but you know everyone suffers. And although what Ibuki went through wasn't half of what Haru did, I don't think its fair to just say he deserves to suffer. jazc20

    Yep. He deserves to suffer for his betrayal of Haru. Then, after he suffers, I wish him well. But that's me. I think what he did was horrible and cruel and I want retribution. :D

    jazc20 May 19, 2016 4:51 am
    Yep. He deserves to suffer for his betrayal of Haru. Then, after he suffers, I wish him well. But that's me. I think what he did was horrible and cruel and I want retribution. :D manganiME

    Well, I guess we all have our own opinions and I can respect that.