Ah yes. Men can't suffer as much as women. Not at all a dangerous idea that can be used to...

Ok bye

What i said is true, you don't know what you are talking about but ok bye

I'm not gonna try to explain the confusion if you don't understand how context is important and how such a sentence is vague. So moving on from the insult...

"Men are beings too fragile to hold such deep-seated grudges. How should I put it... Should I say they've never suffered enough to be desperate...? In most civilizations, men are 'beings who make rules' "

That's the quote from the latest chapter that my first comment was referring to. So when you say "People here aren't arguing that men do not suffer/don't suffer as much as women. You're the one here implying that a narrative exists, while it does not." you're either lying, didn't read the same chapter as everyone else or are incapable of assessing the situation.

That being said, just because everyone around you is doing or saying something doesn't mean they are right. If back in the days everyone told you you were so fucking stupid for saying black people aren't lesser being would they be right because they are the majority ? Just because everyone agree with you don't mean you aren't a bigot.

I don't need your advices nor do I care that a bunch of radom people who gratuitously insult others think I'm fucking stupid. But I'm gonna play your game because I enjoy the exercise.

-what are you even trying to say? : Obviously I tried to express how I thought that perpetuating the idea that men suffer less than women on a general basis is an harmful idea.

-why do you think that it needs to be said within this context? : Because real people with a life, a family, with parents, brothers and sisters, with friends, with colleagues fucking kill themselves everyday and people pretending a group of people can't suffer as much is exactly what put said group at risk by cutting off the help they could get if it was deemed they needed it.

-why do you think that ppl are saying that men can't suffer/can't suffer as much as women? : That's literally what the manhwa said I quoted the passage earlier, the "in most civilizations" from a character that know other worlds exist make the sentence applicable to our modern world. And you just have to see here under my comment how many people agree with it.

-What would you prefer for the author to do? Not convey such harmful ideas ? : Suicide is a really important and complicated subject and this kind of things should not be spread.

-Do you feel that a fictional story set in a universe that does not represent the reality we live in, is trying to be a factual depiction of the issues faced by people all around the world? : Stories convey ideas and messages, whether you want it or not, always. It doesn't have to be factual or set in our world to do so. That's how stories work you know ? A story tell a lot about their author, their beliefs and how they view the world. You just need to listen.

-Why did you start this whole conversation off with rudeness? : You mean why did I made a sarcastic comment who wasn't directed at anyone about an idea that I think is harmful ? What ? I didn't insult anyone so how am I the rude one again ?

Your last two tips where condescending since I'm not the one who stated being rude to other and insulting them for the sake of insulting but whatever.

uhh tbh i feel more like ur running away now honestly. i dont even understand ur point anymore. it feels more like ur trying to say that men are more depressed and have worse problems than women and will commit more than them. obvi tho if ur not u can just explain what u meant. honestly tho lol i think ur missing the point of what the author is trying to say. again, its not our world we're talking abt. its THEIRS. we can literally see the difference between how women and men are treated from the engagement between the prince and our mc. shes treated like trash and the prince is never reprimanded for his behavior. the author is not saying men cannot suffer as much as women when they were talking abt sorceresses. the author is saying that in this specific world that they're talking abt, women have way less power, hence more desperation (and revenge!) which is why they become sorceresses. men, in their world, face less of that desperation becuz they do not share the same experiences those women do. thats cuz they are the ones in power, the ones making rules, the ones who are making those women feel that desperation. obviously there are men who are not in power and feel desperate, but theres definitely not as many as there are women. id say that most men that would be desperate in their world would probably be commoners who are starving or something, while the women who are desperate come from a lot more places. and u hvae to remember that there only a handful of sorceresses, meaning that not every women whos desperate can become one.

That quote is not a statement on our reality/the world we live in. It is simply a short quote from a story that was most likely used to explain why women tend to be witches.

"you're either lying, didn't read the same chapter as everyone else or are incapable of assessing the situation." No I am not, the author did not make any statement on reality, you can't take the role of a fictional universe and state that it is a statement about the world we live in.


You do indeed have to consider that you might be wrong. Just because you feel that you're right, does not mean that you're right. Within our modern society, most people don't view black people as lesser. They are the minority. You could apply your argument to that and you know what? It would still be a bad argument. Being either in the minority or majority doesn't make you right, however, if most people disagree with you, you should rethink your position.


Now, lets get onto your explanation. There are a few error with it:
-No one here thinks that men don't suffer.
-No one here is trying to prevent certain social groups from getting help.
-The manga did not say that the men that exist in our universe can't suffer. Whenever they said "most civilization" doesn't matter since she is obviously referring to those who came before her current timeline.
-The author wasn't even talking about suicide.
-Stories do indeed convey ideas, however, we as readers are active agents with brains. Everyone here can tell that men suffer.
-The story literally includes a male lead who suffered and it includes a poor male child that lives in poverty (+most likely suffered physical and emotional abuse from his father.) The author has literally shown us that male characters do suffer.
-Look up the definition of rude, you don't have to directly insult anyone to be rude. Your comment is extremely rude, if you don't trust me, ask other people. And even if we forget that you were rude in your replies and so on.


You are free to find my tips to be condescending, you are entitled to your opinion. However, you should seriously apply them. And yes, you are the one being rude and insulting people, just reread the stuff you said, the way you said it, and the things you keep implying to/about people. It is extremely rude and mean. I'm not even talking about the stuff you said to me, just look at the things you said to other people. You could have literally talked about this stuff/started a conversation without being rude, you could have had this go well if you made the right moves.

Just leave her alone bc she not even trying to understand... it’s like she WANTS to be dumb. We explained it many times to her yet she still insists. Its her pride getting in her way. Like seriously, there is nothing wrong with being educated. We all make mistakes. This person needs to grow up.

Honestly, I'm on the fence about that. Cuz on one hand, I can see that this person probably doesn't want to consider that they might be wrong, but on the other hand, maybe they will. Hopefully, this is just a bad moment, but if they act like this all the time then yeah, there ain't no hope for them.

I don't know if this comment was ironic or hypocrite. I'm just gonna stop here there's no point in trying to talk to people who aren't listening and resort to insults because they don't have real arguments.
I understand that insulting other and their intelligence make you feel better about yourself and strangely enough give you the idea that it make you more mature but I personally have no reason to take your bullshit.

Didn't your conversation with them already end? And I get that you don't like that they called you "dumb" but you were rude towards them first. The ideas of irony and hypocrisy are very relevant here, I agree with you about that.

"because they don't have real arguments"
I literally explained it to you and you literally dismissed what I said as ignorant when it's true. People are literally writing ESSAYS to explain to you but "no real argument" no sis you blind as hell.
"I understand that insulting other and their intelligence make you feel better about yourself and strangely enough give you the idea that it make you more mature"
If that's how you feel because if you feel insulted, then u should do something about it. Bc right now, you are proving our point. And I'll say it again, you are being stubborn on being dumb. Stop being stubborn and get educated sis. Trust me, it'll do you good.