both have done bad things but i have hopes im with none of the teams im just up for any de...

Please- Jooin is just as toxic

not really tell me one of his toxic behaviors youre talking about. im not justifying everything but hes not toxic

He runs back to Yawhi every single time after saying he wants to ignore him.

i don't feel like that's toxic, just desperate

sry i meant to reply to you so - i don't feel like that's toxic, just desperate. Jooin came off a little dumb to me, always clinging to the hope that yahwi will change, even tho he won't. That's why it was so nice to see him finally pushing him away previously, idk why he went with him now.

he likes him hes not comfy w this situation either its called catching feelings for a reason

exactly. even tho he knows whats the best for him now he still cant overcome his feelings because he already got hopes once yahwi "accepted his feelings" so he cant really give up on those pure hopes and keeps struggling

and what you said doesnt make someone "toxic"

But you see if he continues to call Yawhi the bad one(which he is) then willingly runs back, that’s toxic. Not to mention how he always mentions Cain when they hang out which obviously makes Yawhi mad. Like I understand why he does make Yawhi jealous, but it’s still toxic. Anyone can see that

He knows exactly what he’s getting when he goes back to toxic Yawhi, but acts like he is the higher person or tries to ignore him. If you keep running back to the same old habits because it benefits you or bc you wanna, that’s so toxic lmao. Imagine how Cain feels too. He’s creepy but still, liking someone, then watching them go back to the same person, when Cain has specifically told Jooin that Yawhi is bad news, is toxic.

lmao you really dont understand jooins feelings nor actions anyways

Sorry but i gotta agree with lupa, i think you don't get his feelings. It's not that he is toxic and deliberately falls back into old habits, he wants to cut Yahwi out, but he doesn't know how to say no to him. And also, he is trying to get over him. And about Cain - how what Jooin does with someone else makes Cain feel is none of his responsibility.

exactly

I do. The reason why I'm saying this is because I had an abusive ex exactly like Yawhi. I always kept running back bc of the same reason Jooin has. He knows that Yawhi is bad for him and still goes off and tries to "annoy" him or "ignore" him. That's exactly what I did. I just wanted attention because the person in my situation I obviously loved, same with Jooin. You can't really tell what the characters in a comic/manwha/manga, or whatever it is are thinking all the time so you use your past experiences to try and help you figure it out. My past helped me to kind of work my way through this manwha. Jooin reminds me a lot of my past self. Dumb, naive, but what I was doing was toxic, not for another person but for MYSELF. Same with Jooin.

See, and saying he has no responsibility isn't exactly true. If Jooin cared about Cain, he wouldn't be making him feel like this. If you ask me, that's toxic within itself. Denying something your friend wishes when you know the outcome is bad, isn't okay. Jooin isn't toxic to other people really, plus Cain is creepy so I understand why Jooin wouldn't be fond of him and I get what youre saying completely, but still. Jooin is toxic to himself. If you read my latest reply it will say why, maybe you will understand my pov.

"If Jooin cared about Cain, he wouldn't be making him feel like this." you said. You're exaggerating so much, this is not a toxic behavior, it can only be called not comdierate and this is not about him caring about Cain or not.

considerate*

Your past self isn't my business so I cannot comment on it and yeah I understand you find your past behavior toxic and call yourself dumb but Jooin isn't you and just because you find yourself in him doesn't change the point of out topic, in the end I don't know you. I respect that you think his behavior is "toxic" but I don't. He is trying and trying is the most important step and you can't just erase your feelings over night. So for me it's unfair to hold him accountable just because he keeps pushed around by his feelings. Hope I'm clear enough, this is my opinion and as you saw too there are people who agree with me too. You don't have to think alike but this discussion is literally pointless now.

also ignore the mistakes its bcs of the autocorrect i still believe im clear enough

You just seem like you're invalidating my opinion tho lmaooo