"Even though it wasn't explicitly stated, I'm pretty sure the commenter meant why is a lesbian who hates mlm content even reading mlm content" I never say I hate mlm content. I say I hate FBMB. So lesbian cannot hate a single manga bl just because they're lesbian.
"if no one's complaining about them, maybe that's because they aren't complaining about it??? " LoL twitter gay men say hi
"there's nothing wrong with consuming content that doesn't cater to your tastes and sexual preferences, but when they don't and you're hating on it you can't be surprised people question why you even bothered to consume it if it's not something that you like. " Nope I will be surprised since when gay men do the same thing to GL, no one says anything.
" so when you say you are attracted to women s3xually, it shouldn't come to a surprise that someone is wondering why you would consume content with men in s3xual situations. " Funny how no one says anything if this is GL and gay men.
"but you are COMPLAINING about mlm p0rn despite announcing you aren't attracted to men." Don't use that excuse. Lesbian fujoshi are complaining about BL in other social media because there's is r*pe , the seme is toxic , blah blah blah but everyone support it and then demonize gay men who depends that content.
"do you have proofs of gay men complaining about wlw content and people are letting it slide?" Literally if you active on twitter , you know about it. Gay men hating in Citrus because there is r*pey in Citrus and people just let it slide.
"or other lesbians reading mlm content (but not complaining about it) that people are attacking for "no reason"?" Look at twitter, people are accusing lesbian (or should I say women in general) for fetishizng gay men just because they read Yaoi.
Lennyey
You obviously don't have reading comprehension
No one said you are ok with r*pe fiction. I said "Which is something that undermine the r*pe , a people that thinks r*pe fiction is equally bad to real r*pe or those people who call out people that tell lesbian to sck a dick????"
Yeah you don't justify fetishization of lesbian if it's was biological male , but trans women is ok
"Thank you!!!! God I’ve been arguing with her all day and she’s resorted to blatant transphobia and calling me a rapist" playing a victim lol. Friendly Reminder that you tell a lesbian to sck a d!ck.
What are you talking about with trans women. It’s always trans women with you it’s like your obsessed with them. I’m NOT A TRANS WOMAN I’ve said that three times now I think. Also yea you said I was okay with lesbians being fetishized AND you said I was okay with rape in fiction which I have never said either of those things. Telling someone to suck a dick is a phrase of speech and unlike other ways of phrasing it is a completely consensual statement. It’s not saying I’m gonna force you to suck a dick and it’s not saying get a dick shoved in ur mouth it’s telling you yourself to get up and go do it if your own volition and it’s sad that I have to break this statement down for you to understand that it’s not even verbal assault. It’s telling you to go get up and choosingly suck a dick so that we will no longer have to hear you talk. That’s literally what the phrase means. Cant believe I had to spell it out for you though.
Also if you genuinely think that me telling you to suck a dick (once again an act that would be of your own volition since it’s a complete consensually phrased statement it’s not me saying I will force you to suck a dick which would in fact be rape) then I will gladly take this up in court with you and we will see what the law thinks of my statement. I think they might laugh if your face but since you are so positive it’s in fact rape then I am fine with this being handled in the eyes of law.
Lennyey
" Telling someone to suck a dick is a phrase of speech and unlike other ways of phrasing it is a completely consensual statement. " But if it's was biological males who say this, it's suddenly r*pe threats lol. You just want to justifiy trans. Is telling someone sck a d!ck is consensual even though they hates d!c?
"It’s telling you to go get up and choosingly suck a dick so that we will no longer have to hear you talk." Such a long way to say "I use any methods to justify trans"
Lennyey
It's not consensual statement.
And Ofcourse you will surely win the court since you are dad is a lawyer and you are rich while I'm just poor.
R*pe threats is now funny lol.
Jesus Christ ur an idiot. I wouldn’t give a fuck if a biological man said it to me or any one else because I’m not a little bitch and know that it’s a phrase of speech. I have been touched non consensually and I have been sent things non consensually yet I still understand what a phrase of speech is versus an actual threat to me as a person. Surprising isn’t it? And as an actual victim I’m not a fan of being told I myself am a rapist because of a phrase of speech and because I’m trans. You might actually be the real predator here for trying to insinuate things about transgender people and trying to label them as monsters.
Lennyey
Nope it's not phrase of speech.
My mother is a r*pe victim and she said you are so wrong. It's not a phrase of speech.
Apparently I'm the predator when trans wish people who don't agree with them to get r*ped. And pls don't me, there's a lot of evidence in twitter that you all wishing women to get r*ped just because they disagree with you.
Sucks there are people like this in the world but what can we do :/
you've already tried to clear up misunderstandings and clearly they refuse to budge from their opinion so you've done good enough. at this point it's probably better to just mute the convo and/or block this user and go on with your life. any sane person who reads the convo can CLEARLY see she's pulling stuff out of her butt that no one said or twisting said words to have connotations that were never there so if you stopped responding no one (except maybe her) will think she won and her opinions are universally correct.
And to OP,
not quite sure where you got that lennyey is trans so it doesn't make sense why you claim and use 'if someone says/does XXX it's wrong but if a trans person says/does the same thing then suddenly it becomes right' (paraphrasing) as an argument against them. literally nothing related to trans people was mentioned until you said. yes lennyey told you to kys, but they aren't denying that they said it and that it wasn't mean to say. even if they are trans, they stilll never said what they said was right or ok, but you were saying things that weren't right or ok first so why can't they? people were complaining about your biphobia because you were denying that one dude likes his friend romantically in male AND female form is what it means to be bisexual. sure it could very much be that he only likes shion in either form because he likes shion as a person, but you could have brought up that as a possibility instead of just saying 'nah lol you didnt read correctly'. and just because someone is against transphobia doesn't mean they are trans. transphobia is something that's wrong universally, so anyone in the right of mind would not support that
Yep after they started saying transphobic things I mentioned I was trans which got her all riled up to spew her transphobic ideologies. Even saying I have privilege because I am trans. And yes I told her to kill herself and nope I will not take it back and do not care but that’s a whole other thing lol. I’m probably just gonna mute her because obviously she doesn’t know what she’s talking about even after I provided sources in another comment thread to what I was saying. These kinds of people are exhausting to deal with but I guess that’s just part of the internet and sometimes you can’t avoid them. Thanks for taking part in calling her out though.
Keep on justifying someone who encourage suicide.
No one is being biphobic. You all are just delulu who thinks everyone who hates this manga is biphobic.
"you were denying that one dude likes his friend romantically in male AND female form is what it means to be bisexual. " No one is denying. You all just don't have reading comprehension. Im literally just calling out you all hyprocrity that if Yuri have straggot its for men but it's Yaoi so it's suddenly for bi/pan. And suddenly you all accusing me of denying.
When did I say just because they're they against transphobia means they are trans. Maybe if you all don't wish women to get r*ped just because they don't agree with you, a lot of people will support you all.
Lennyey
"Even saying I have privilege because I am trans. And yes I told her to kill herself and nope I will not take it back and do not care but that’s a whole other thing lol. " LoL trans privilege doesn't exist but trans being told to it's is bad but biological female being told to it's is ok. LoL another proof trans are predator.
LoL you just can't admit facts I'm right. Mute me all you want IDC lol. T
[I never say I hate mlm content. I say I hate FBMB. So lesbian cannot hate a single manga bl just because they're lesbian.]
you are missing the point. there is nothing wrong with disliking a manga regardless of sexuality. but that comment by the original commenter was not referring to lesbians as an entire group, that comment was directed to YOU specifically and you decided to take that as an attack against the whole group instead of just to yourself. If you read the comment that lennyey replied to me, they clarified that's what they meant. if you need people to respond to you super super specific and direct because you can't tell what people are trying to say without spelling it out in plain, blunt language you need to let people know. no one's going to talk like they do in described audio for the visually impaired if they don't need to and most people don't need to. that's why described audio is only an option on some tv shows, not the default.
You keep saying look on twitter, look on twitter but do you have any actual examples?? if it's so common, why can't you do a quick search on twitter to find a couple examples of people hating on BL/GL and getting away with it? and also, i am not an avid twitter user but even i know that people like to stir up drama and stupid shit on that platform so why on earth would you equate the stuff you see there with how things are in real life and take things to heart as the truth? there are a lot more people on this earth than there are twitter users and everything you read on the internet (especially from questionable sources) should be taken with a grain of salt.
Keep on justifying your fellow fans. They're literally questioning me why I read BL just because I'm a lesbian and I hate d!ck.
Search in the twitter Yaoi rape and Citrus rape and go.
It's totally obvious you just say that since its totally against your statement.
Oh did you? My bad, I guess i didn't notice it but that still doesn't change the fact that you never said what you said was a good thing to say, you just said it despite knowing it was bad anyways. It's different from her thinking what she's saying is completely right.
honestly yes there are comments of bi people saying it satisfies their bi heart or something along those lines but no one said that since there are the straight parts the webcomic was written for bi people. it's just a (genderbent) BL, that's literally what it says if you look at any of the official licensed sources. she also brings in that apparently a lot of people on twitter say these things, which to be honest i don't know because i don't look at twitter very often but knowing random drama is always happening on that platform that's entirely possible. but even if a lot of people on twitter are complaining about stuff, why is she bringing it here to this site? she couldn't give me any actual examples of cases where gay men say stuff about GL at all, let alone on this website. not that there isn't any but she acts like a few crappy people are the majority and that gives her the right to act how she does.
these kinds of people like to hide on the internet because it's easier to talk shit when no one can (easily) track you down irl and/or they're too scared to voice their opinions to the actual people aggravating them. it sucks but most internet users know not to take most things to heart and can enjoy their time anyways. no need to thank me though, i just wanted to voice my own opinion after seeing all the confused people in more recent comments. hope you have a good rest of the day/night !
This is how gr0$$ fbmb fans. You really thinks they're right than me even though they tell someone to suicide. LoL I will stan on my word, trans privilige exist. Telling trans to suicide is bad but telling biological females is ok.
LoL I know you just said that since its doesn't suit in your narative lol.
[Keep on justifying your fellow fans. They're literally questioning me why I read BL just because I'm a lesbian and I hate d!ck.]
one person said that o n c e and somehow you kept dragging it on repeatedly saying THEY are being sexist because if i read correctly, twitter gay men are getting away with it?? are they agreeing with these twitter people, did you see it? the whole "questioning why you like BL" could literally be over if you just said "because i can".
[Search in the twitter Yaoi rape and Citrus rape and go.]
okay but why can't you go search it yourself and show me? these tweets you say are supposed to support your side of things. if you want to prove a point you have to find the evidence otherwise don't expect people to believe anything you say is true.
please, do find me some tweets by gay men where they claim r@pe in citrus is for men and no one is saying that's wrong. same goes for people saying BL with straight stuff in it is for bi/pan people and no one says it's wrong. In case you don't know, tweets that were tweeted really recently (i.e. around an hour or less ago) aren't really reliable sources of "proof" because that's not enough time for a decent amount of people to see it and interact if they have something to say about it because a lot of people have lives outside of twitter. Accounts that are really really recent (often trolls), have very few tweets, and/or have very few followers (around 50 or less roughly) are also types of users to be suspicious of the validity of their tweets.
[You really thinks they're right than me even though they tell someone to suicide.]
so if someone who commits murder says 1+1=2, does that mean they are wrong and that 1+1 does not equal 2 because they committed murder? this and that are two independent problems.
Let me try to summarize how things started in reeeeally simple words.
1. Your original statement: "If Yuri have straggot, you all be saying it's for men but it's Yaoi so FBNBF fandom thinks it's for bi". i assume by "straggot" you meant there are relationships between men and women in the GL. so in words that most people understand and without slurs, "if there are mlw relationships in yuri, people claim it's for men, but if there are mlw relationships in BL the fans of this webcomic say it's for bisexuals."
Is that correct?
-first of all, i don't see how the first part of your sentence (meaning "if mlw relationships in yuri, people claim it's for men") has anything to do with the second part (meaning "if there are mlw relationships in BL the fans of this webcomic say it's for bisexuals."). are there people in the comments here or fans of THIS comic in particular saying mlw relationships in yuri are for men? from your past responses i'm getting the impression that's just people on twitter. are there people in the MANGAGO comments section for this series saying it's for bi people? maybe one or two that i roughly skimmed through, but most people who bring up "bi" are not saying the series is WRITTEN FOR bisexuals. they may be bisexual and are feeling satisfied by the way the story is written, or think that one of the main characters is bi for reasons i will get to later, but that doesn't mean they are claiming story was written for them. also random twitter people =/= MANGAGO fans of this webcomic so unless you're saying you saw people on mangago who are fans of this series also saying mlw in GL is for men, your statement is like trying to equate apples and oranges. they are two different audiences.
2. first commenter says "yeah its a guy who's attracted to his bfs when he's a girl and a guy. it doesn't get more bi than that dumbass. Your biphobia is showing lmao"
- if you didn't agree that the guy likes girls and guys in general and that it could have been that he likes his best friend as either BECAUSE it's him, you could have literally just said that. from my understanding, liking one person regardless of their gender but being s3xually attracted to one gender all the other times doesn't necessarily mean they are bi, but that doesn't mean they cannot be either. it wasn't specified so either way could have been potentially correct. there's nothing wrong with not being 100% convinced, but you could have explained that it's not shown whether he has ever found other guys also attractive in the past as he has found multiple girls attractive before so while that is a possibility, it also may not be. there was no reason to be all defensive and rude.
3. you claim everyone who hates this manga is biphobic and are delusional.
- you didn't explain why you don't think it's written for bi people and throughout the thread you still do not explain why. the only justification you give is 'well, people say mlw in GL is for men" with the implication of "so why can't mlw in BL be for women" (if this is not what you thought, then tell me what you were trying to say with this comment, not just telling me it's not what you thought).
- that kind of wording is not going to make people agree with you. you're only fuelling their impression of you.
4. Then you claim "So sad that in order to make animation about yaoi, it's should also have hentai or nothing animation at all.
So sad that a lot of people want conversion therapy against homosexuals."
- there are explicit yaoi anime that only have mlm relationships in it so this first statement is untrue
-no one said anything about the second half of that statement
-if you're going to talk about popularity, the anime for this series isn't particularly more popular either. there's more talk about it now because it came out a few weeks ago. once the hype for being the new thing dies down, it'll be like all the others
obviously people are pissed because of the way you word things and add uneccessary rude things that aren't even true so they are not in the mood to speak politely and respectfully to you, just as you have been yourself. that fuels you into pulling out all sorts of other insults, and twist peoples words into equating something entirely different. and you keep repeating it instead of trying to explain your point. when people disagreed with you, instead of explaining yourself in more detail or at the very least, reword your original statement so maybe people will understand then, you just tell people to stay mad. you make big statements, give zero proof to them, and instead of trying to debunk people's "misunderstandings" of what you meant (e.g. actually explain why you think what you said isn't biphobic), you just insult them or encourage them to think that way.
yo respectfully, you gotta go. since when does telling someone to "suck a dick" or "smd" make you a rapist. its ok to have an opinion but you're going hard for no reason when people made valid points refuting your statement. instead of saying, "i respect your opinion but.." you had to ode... if you don't like the manga, stop fucking reading or keep your opinions to yourself since you have no respect for others.
This manga scksssss. There are so many better bl but then this sh!t is more popular. The plot is ssooooo sh!!ttttt!!! I rather read Boku no Pico than reading this tr*sh again.
Also the fandom are scksss since they're hyprocrite.
•If Yuri have straggot, you all be saying it's for men but it's Yaoi so FBNBF fandom thinks it's for bi.