Y'all jumping so fast to conclusions when the next chapter ain't even out yet! Also Helena...

YEASH THAT'S WHY I LOVE HELENA UWAAA WHY DID SHE DIESSSS

noooo fuck…..that’s so sad. but it’s true, she really has no good options ): and it hurts more because she seems kind, in that she forgives the old Eris for being awful to her once she realizes they are in a similar position ):

Yes! Idk even know where the brains of some people go... We were shown Helena’s background few chapters ago to show she does not have any power. And how she sees her situation and even Eris’s. But what can she do? What would the haters even do if given her situation? As you said instead of hating Helena, people should be hating the selfish men.

I mean... I get your point. Also, i think it's pretty obvious everyone HATES that damn Cp... and probably all the male characters except Anahkin tbh... But I still don't like Helena. I understand her and I'm sorry for her circumstances, I really am, but moreover I'm sorry for her personality that it's not up to take in the situation. That's why I don't like her, cuz no matter how many justifications there may be, the last thing standing is our own choices and she's going thru the path of giving up her choices to someone else. I know, I know this is hard to understand and it's a debatable topic, and that we all wanna he humanistic and stuff... But honestly, if I was her, I would hate most of all myself and my lack of guts, not my situation or the Cp. If she was going to die in the end, asking someone else to kill her, if that was going to be her decision... Might as well have tried to do smth even if meant she could end up dying. Same result, but at least she would have tried and not just get tossed around by others selfishness.

As a character, tho, it's a very realistic character that I truly appreciate... More like I appreciate how the author gave that realistic touch to the character. But I just like it as a piece of the story that it's well done, as per personality is someone I can't like... not even irl. Maybe it's just my pov, my own experiences, but I just can't stand it, I would slap myself if I were to act that way and I have done so.

Be it in the past or the present, there has been a lot of ppl facing similar situations and not everyone has acted the same, so we can't just say that was the only thing she could do. Maybe if they said she actually had affection for the Cp and was unable to overcome her love or smth... but no, she is legit against it all but still does whatever she's told to do, cuz "that's the only way"... Of what? The only way to be happy? No, cuz she is unhappy. The only way to survive? No, cuz that's a path that could end in death any second and it's not living if youre just a doll. The only way to please everyone? Clearly not, someone is always displeased. The only way to not let innocent ppl get hurt? That's also a no, cuz others are still getting hurt. So ... That's the only way for what? We can only conclude that's the only way she can continue doing so without feeling guilty, cuz she's blaming the situation and deluding herself to think that's the only way. I mean, it's not crazy either, maybe that's her only relief, to believe that lie cuz she knows she can't muster up to anything more.

In the end, it's just sad. And the saddest is that it didn't have to be that way... but she decided to let it be that way.

If Helena was a male character I promise you everyone here would be waxing poems about their poor whittle baby boy deserving better and how they'll adopt him themselves.

I definitely understand your points. I do want to mention that Helena from a young age was practically brainwashed by her mom to just look pretty and stay silent. And while my feelings towards Helena isn't exactly of liking her, I pity her because of the things she has to go through without any control/power of her own life. She wants to live, and the only way she can is through the cp's affection/obsession towards her.
Not sure how the novel progresses to Helena wanting to end her own life, but I suppose there will be an event that just pushes her off the cliff(pun not intended). I think prior to Eris changing(as in korean girl possessing her), Helena may have no qualms abt her current way of living. Maybe it's because she's just so used to it she doesn't know what a better life will be, one with freedom.

I SNORTED BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.

Well, if you give me the exact same character, with the exact same reasons and everything exactly the same except for the gender... I would still dislike it

Ofc she deserves better, but let's see the female lead for example... She's legit someone who was brought to this world to die, no other options. She can't even decide her own death, she cant go back to her family and she has to put up with all the trash they keep throwing at her ... No one is on her side, except for Anahkin and the Witch. And what is she doing? Fighting. Whatever and however she can, she's desperately looking for a way out. And let's point out that that's mainly the reason she dislikes Helena, cuz Helena doesn't fight for anything. Even if you say that Iris has a better status, resources and whatnot, we can't say that Helena doesn't have privileges she could have used to find a way out. And I bet that Iris, even if she was a commoner, would have still tried to fight her way out.

Actually we are seeing two ppl that seem different but are quite similar, both trapped in a situation that was imposed into them forcefully and almost without room for anything else, but they're reacting to it different.

I know what her mom did, but we can also see that she had time to realize that was wrong so she knows it was just her mom brainwashing her. But I do agree with you, pity is indeed the right word That's the most I can feel, but I can't help getting mad when I see her being a part of an annoying situation hahaha

Probably she will actually realize smth about her own life and choices by seeing how this new Iris faces her own troubles. Let's be honest, previous Iris was also just pitiful, I couldn't like her either. Even if she had all the rights, mistreating someone else when your love interest was the trash can, that's bad and twisted :[

Yeah I feel her realization part came in too late and by that time was probably a turning point for her because she chooses to die instead.
And old eris was definitely a villainess character fr, but I pity her too, since she was surrounded by such trash to the point she opted to die.

I have read enough comments on this website to know that female characters always bear the brunt of hatred. Unless a male character is explicitly evil or unbearably dense, people will somehow find positive things to say about him. Or at the very least they will never receive the hate that female characters with the same vitriol for minor transgressions. Female characters on the other hand get bashed left and right, get called 'annoying', 'irritating',' naive' or 'boring' for being anything other than super strong and always winning.

Also why are you comparing the FLs struggles to Helena's? Is it a competition? Is Helena less of a victim somehow? She was abused as a kid by her mother, the Og FL terribly bullied her, she is a powerless puppet who has no control over her life, who has no say in anything and gets used by people much more powerful that her who basically use her as an excuse to inflict pain on others. She also happens to be a poor maid. All the three male leads treat her like a prize to be one. How dehumanising is that? The fact that she sometimes gets to eat with the prince is negated by the face that he only does this to use Helena as a reason to hurt the FL or to order her to live according to HIS wishes.

"We can't say Helena has no privileges, she couldve found a way out". Nice victim blaming. Also you have either terrible reading comprehension or poor understanding of how things work. Powerless people depend on the mercy of others to live. She had literally no other option. She does anything and the prince punishes others ultimately putting Helena in her place.

"I bet that Iris, even if she was a commoner, would have still tried to fight her way out." No? Lmao what nonsense. Your headcanons are not facts. Stop writing fanfiction. There is no proof that Iris would've been anything other than a helpless maid if she were in Helena's position. Unlike Helena, Iris has the backing of the King, her family that just happens to be one of the most powerful and rich families of the empire. She can say a word and move people to work for her. And she STILL is struggling with people who are more powerful than her - The prince and the empress. If Iris can't take these people on with so much power and backing what makes you think she'd be able to do all of that as a mere powerless maid?

The last para I agree with

it’s the fact you’re throwing her death in people’s face like we’re supposed to care

Well, you just have to read up to what I already said. I think I explained it at least in a decent way. Comparisons are bound to be made, its not about competition but because its the way humans can evaluate things, and sometimes that's actually what the authors are trying to portray in order to deliver a message, we can't know for sure and that's why mine it's just an opinion/theory of sorts...

Idk why you're getting so worked up tho If you want to give a realistic review of situations, you can refer to history facts of ppl who have survived thru unbelievable situations. If we are keeping it as just an opinion over a fictional story... ofc, it all makes sense, pretty understandable even tho it's still not likeable. Again, I already said it all up there :[

Actually... I'm not "victim blaming" and I just realized I should say smth about this, that people often mistake. Victims. We should understand them, help them, but we should not reinforce the thoughts of being victims. We do not realize that keeping on justifying everything they do just because theyre victims of smth is wrong, it's not even helpful for them. Everything is about mentality, and the first stage for a victim to stop being or feeling like a victim is for them to stop thinking like that about themselves, and they wont be able to do that if everyone keeps telling them "Its okay, cuz you're a victim". Knowledgeable and wise people know when to say these words in order to lessen a sense of guilt or self hatred someone may have, and when to not say it in order to help that person grow out of their vulnerable and weak state.

Eh, I'm not going to go deeper into this cuz pls, no joke, this is a comment section for a webtoon/manga/whatever we are using to have fun reading But I think this much was necessary to say

Don't care about the rest of that jargon but I'll address this one thing. Everything is not about mentality. You can't "positivity" your way out of a situation that HAS no way out. Things are about circumstances. The first step towards healing is not to stop feeling like a victim. The first step to recovery is the STOPPING of abuse. It is the process of providing an abuse victim with a space in which they can recover. It's giving them the safety that'll help them heal, it's giving them power to be able to exercise control over their lives and it's the experiences like this that'll help them grow. That help and understanding are absolutely essential for any positive change. People can't just suddenly one day up and decide to stop feeling shitty about thier mistreatment. The implication that the victim is not assuming the "RIGHT" attitude against their shitty situation, or that they're not doing "Enough" to make things better for themselves is victim blaming.

Also Helena is still being controlled. She has no power to make a change. She has no real choice or say in any matter. People much more powerful than her like the Prince and the Empress are keeping her uninformed and using her for their means. So my point stands.

It's ok, I can see there's smth here that knocks close to you... Anyways, hope you someday can decide to study a bit more about human nature and behavior. I mean, we all humans but tbh there's a lot of misinformation and lack of appropriate comprehension, so I don't blame you for thinking that way or take it personal, it makes sense. Its just a bit sad that some ppl can't see further and I hope that at least some will try to consider other opinions and thoughts that may be more healthy for them while reading these comments...

There's a saying, it's in Spanish so I'm not sure it sounds as good in English, but it says that: More do those who have the will than those who have the means. Think about it, like with an open mind and a goodwill, hopefully (●'◡'●)ﾉ

this is very true. there IS such a thing as toxic positivity lol... unfortunately, often those who have been lucky enough to not be in a situation that you can’t “will” yourself out of often can’t sympathize with those who have been or are in that situation. they don’t understand that there is a difference between being pessimistic and unmotivated and being trapped. not to say that i would wish such a situation on anyone, but it’s true that many who haven’t experienced that circumstance pull the “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” mentality where it’s not applicable.

Lol look at you. I'm not taking anything personally. I'm being logical. Your toxic spiritual positivity ain't helping anyone.

Exactly! 'Toxic Positivity' is the best way to summarise what I meant to say.