Donation isn't something that should be taken light, of course Alex can choose whatever he...

Ayakashi Amori June 26, 2021 8:42 pm

Donation isn't something that should be taken light, of course Alex can choose whatever he wants to do, because it is his body, but Cole have a point that being involved isn't something that can be taken lightly, and I don't like that they don't take his feelings seriously! They just expect him to agree to that! ヽ(`Д´)ノ

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    The_Devils_Advocate June 26, 2021 9:12 pm

    It might be his body, but in a relationship there are 2 people, and such important things needs to be talked out together. Being a donator is not an easy matter. Even less if you donate to an ex or even just a friend, without thinking about the child feelings, or those of your partner.
    Cloe is not wrong this time. but they just don't fit together. They are immature too. Another reason to think about it seriously.

    Ayakashi Amori June 26, 2021 9:21 pm
    It might be his body, but in a relationship there are 2 people, and such important things needs to be talked out together. Being a donator is not an easy matter. Even less if you donate to an ex or even just a... The_Devils_Advocate

    "It might be his body, but in a relationship there are 2 people, and such important things needs to be talked out together. Being a donator is not an easy matter" that was exactly by what I mean by "I don't like that they don't take his feelings seriously! They just expect him to agree to that!"... I don't understand you agree with me or not? (▰˘◡˘▰)

    The_Devils_Advocate June 26, 2021 9:23 pm
    "It might be his body, but in a relationship there are 2 people, and such important things needs to be talked out together. Being a donator is not an easy matter" that was exactly by what I mean by "I don't lik... Ayakashi Amori

    I agree with you, just not with the "it is his body" thing.

    Ayakashi Amori June 26, 2021 10:25 pm
    I agree with you, just not with the "it is his body" thing. The_Devils_Advocate

    But it is his body. I really don't like how he treated Cole's and his feelings and opinions, but at the end of the day it is his body, that's one if the reason why Cole couldn't just say "don't do it". It is important to respect your partner and his opinions, but it is you who decide what do you want to do with your body.

    The_Devils_Advocate June 26, 2021 11:00 pm
    But it is his body. I really don't like how he treated Cole's and his feelings and opinions, but at the end of the day it is his body, that's one if the reason why Cole couldn't just say "don't do it". It is im... Ayakashi Amori

    Well, with this logic someone could be free to cheat every time they want...
    It is not like Alex is a woman who got pregnant by accident, he has a choice.
    Doing children with a different person, which is not your partner, when you already have one, is not simply "his body". His is making a family with someone else, a "friend". Not just a stranger which he will never see. The child will come to know the father, and Alex will take the role as the father. This is a no go. Cloes also has a say in it, because like I said, HE is the partner, not the women. If Alex would be single, that would be another matter.
    We need to make compromise when in a relationship. The "me" and "my" turn to "we" and "ours". This is what it means being in a relationship.

    Ayakashi Amori June 27, 2021 6:43 am
    Well, with this logic someone could be free to cheat every time they want...It is not like Alex is a woman who got pregnant by accident, he has a choice.Doing children with a different person, which is not your... The_Devils_Advocate

    If Cloe will want to break up because of that, that's okey and very reasonable, because of course that would feel like cheating if Alex donate without considering Cole's feelings. But at the same time being in relationships can't make you unable to make your own decisions. If I would want to help my friend by donating and my partner "you can't do it" insted of "please think it over once more" I would be the one to break up with him.

    The_Devils_Advocate June 27, 2021 12:03 pm
    If Cloe will want to break up because of that, that's okey and very reasonable, because of course that would feel like cheating if Alex donate without considering Cole's feelings. But at the same time being in ... Ayakashi Amori

    Of course you should be able to make your own decision, but not if it will affect your relationship with your partner. He is going to make a family with someone who is not his partner. Not just donating. Cloe has very well a say in that too. Because he is Alex partner.
    I doubt you would like it if your partner goes starts a family with someone else, and if you were in Alex situations, and would break up with your partner because he doesn't agree with that, than sorry, you would do him a favor. Your vision of things is childish and not respectful towards your partner. Like I already wrote before, in a relationship, something like "mine" "my" "I" doesn't really exist anymore. This is what it means being in a relationship. Maybe you will understand someday. Have a great day.

    Ayakashi Amori June 27, 2021 1:03 pm
    Of course you should be able to make your own decision, but not if it will affect your relationship with your partner. He is going to make a family with someone who is not his partner. Not just donating. Cloe h... The_Devils_Advocate

    Just because you don't understand somebody's else point of views doesn't mean that it's a childish. Don't casually wish me a nice day after you insult me and my point of view. You are a very close minded person if the only thing you can do is taking parts of my statement and interpreting them however you like.

    The_Devils_Advocate June 27, 2021 1:38 pm
    Just because you don't understand somebody's else point of views doesn't mean that it's a childish. Don't casually wish me a nice day after you insult me and my point of view. You are a very close minded person... Ayakashi Amori

    I do very well understand your point of view, that is why I said it is childish. It is not an insult, and it was never meant to be. Being childish is part of life. By getting older and making more experience, we grow up and also our point of view changes.
    I am not closed-minded either. I just don't support this "it is my body, I do what I want" thing. I already told you that I agree with everything you said, beside that one thing.
    Not sure what thing you think I am interpreting wrong. I think I perfectly understood you.
    You understand Cloe's feelings, but you also think that Alex can do what he wants with his body. What I said is, it is not like that when you are in a relationship. At least not totally. Becuase we are not talking about doing a tatto, chancing your hair color, or some other stupid things. We are talking about becoming a father to someone else's child, who is not your partner. In this scenario, the "my body" thing, is just wrong. I am taking the two as an example, but this applies to the real life too. I wouldn't be happy either, if my husband would donate his sperm to a friend, and taking the father role with a child which is not ours. He would be the same. Of course we could talk it out, or better said, we should if such a scenario would occur, but still, he can't pretend from me to agree with it. I repeat myself, opinions and everything else, changes when you grow older or have some experiences.
    I don't know how old you are, but it could happen to you today, tomorrow, or next month. Living the situation, will make you more experienced, and you become more an adult. You MIGHT think now, "I thought about it, and I won't change my mind", or something like that, but everyone what like that when they were younger. And it is fine, but not even considering the chance that it might change someday, or that something we feel or think is absolute right, is a childish/naive/inexperienced/however you want to call it, behavior. But the thing is, when you are in a relationship, you have to compromise, and
    thought like "it is my body I do what I want", in such a scenario, is cancer for the couple, and will eventually ruin every love relationship. If your partner is not a submissive masochist, that is. Unfortunatelly, this is not just an opinion, but a fact...
    There is no need to feel offended, or take my comment as an insult, cause I can assure you that it isn't meant to be one. Just take it as a life experience of an virtual old hag.
    Now for real, I have to go.
    Have a nice sunday.

    Ayakashi Amori June 27, 2021 2:40 pm
    Just because you don't understand somebody's else point of views doesn't mean that it's a childish. Don't casually wish me a nice day after you insult me and my point of view. You are a very close minded person... Ayakashi Amori

    Just let me ask one last question do you know person who donate to a close friend and his/her relationship was destroyed by that? Because my "childish" point of view comes from knowing people in similar situations (my uncle and aunt asked close friend to donate because my aunt was infertile and both couple are still in good relationship) the only thing that is wrong in this situation is that Cole don't agree with that and Alex in this situation should choose either he want to be with Cole or he want to donate, that was my point and that's why I think you misunderstood my opinion, I meant that I would break up with my boyfriend if he would demand me to do something, insted of talking it with me through. Besides I do cherish friends like I cherish my family so if it was my boyfriend not a husband I would rather break up with him than turn down my friend.