I agree Eclis is cool too but I would rather her get with the prince~
[SPOILER'S AHEAD] i, respectfully, disagree.
vinter isn't bad. i don't ship them romantically or anything but there is also platonic affection (i.e friendship...there's more but that's what i'm referring to rn). Vinter is the ml that did the least to penelope in normal mode but he's also the one that did the most to redeem himself both in normal mode AND hard mode (+ this current timeline). The only thing vinter ever did (in normal mode) to penelope was bring yvonne but he's also the only ml that had no relation's to penelope and has never interacted with her. His role was simply to use his magic to cheer up yvonne when she was sad. after yvonne gets the "happy ending" and kills everyone, vinter manages to break free of the brainwashing and survive. before sacrificing himself, he verbally apologizes to penelope for being such a fool and for being brainwashed (though she's dead and can't hear him he still does this). Vinter is the reset button, his sacrifice is what turns back time and each time callisto, reynold, or derrick killed her (in both normal and hard mode). the author built his character well and gave him a flaw that makes sense...trust issues. the anger issues male lead with the flawless and pitiful second late troupe is so overused. Vinter has trust issues bc of what happens to wizards and bc he's responsible for the kids. It makes sense that he tests penelope (hasn't happened yet) bc of his trust issues. In this timeline before P fights Y, she's talking with vinter. She asking all these what if's bc she doesn't know what'll happen to vinter and everyone else if she fails or succeeds (her worries in regards to succeeding is towards vinter bc she doesn't know if he'll survive even if she succeeds...bc of his sacrifice). She asks him what if she fails and yvonne kills everyone and he dies/doesn't turn back time....his response was that it was okay if that happens and she should think of it as punishment for the way everyone treated her. He basically reassures her that no matter the outcome, it would be fine and he tells her not to over exert herself. I'm glad they end up friends and he does deserve her affection.
Reynold...i wouldn't disagree with that sentiment. I personally like reynold and i like his character development and their brother-sister bond but i don't disagree that he's done fucked up things to her. for that reason, I wouldn't disagree if someone said that despite me liking him and her relationship with him.
Derrick...that's a given. fuck derrick. He abused her simply bc of his obsessive sexual/romantic feelings for her. He got no character development and he's just a little shit so yeah i agree with that statement.
Eclise...fuck him. he's derrick 2.0 with his obsessive ass-self (he's not as bad bc his worse actions were due to the brainwashing but he himself was obsessed with her in the same way derrick was). Dude literally tried to kill callisto and kidnapped penelope...fuck him.
Callisto...it wouldn't make sense to say callisto deserves her affection but vinter doesn't (albeit in different ways but still). callisto brutally murdered her (forcefully made her injest every poison she attempted to give yvonne) in normal mode and cut her throat in this mode. I do like callisto but I can't deny what he's done. He's made up for his actions (only in this timeline) but i wouldn't put him on this pedestal to say that he's the only one that deserves her affection.
They’re just lazy to get Character Dev from Eclis Side. I literally dropped this after knowing she’s going to dispose him, bc he was too possessive. Like, ok??? I understand that, but who treated the guy like a DOG since the beginning??? She uses this guy like a lost dog that needs a owner, a former slave, who has lost his reason and of humanity, needs much more than that to think properly. And, just bc of that, after he did everything she wanted she have a happy ending and he lost his memories and that’s it? Lmao ok
Girl. Im mad at her family for treating her like shit without the brainwashing. I get the prince's actions because he 1) he was brainwashed 2) he doesnt have any past relations with the fl prior to meeting her after the brainwashing. Anyways derek fell in love with penelope? Rlly? Thats news to me lmao. Honestly she should just throw the whole family away. Even the dad. Fuck his enabling apathetic indifferent ass
that just refuses to hold eclise accountable for his actions. eclise was also using her. they were both using each other and penelope pointed that out already. after eclise became obsessive, he started behaving just like how derrick does to her. He asked her to run away with him and when she refused, he tried to force that on her. He went out to go bring yvonne bc he wanted daddy eckart to kick her out of the house and then penelope would be forced to rely on him (and thus run away with him). She truly did trust eclise and when he betrayed her she was really hurt. It was really pitiful and she kept begging him to tell her why he'd betray her like that. Yvonne's magic effects the way that person percieves penelope but if they already have a good idea of who she is..they're immune (hence callisto and vinter aka the male lead and second male lead). His obsession was his own feelings and nothing to do with yvonne's magic some of the other stuff was wanted by the magic but still him doing it. (this was purely him and not magic) he was planning to murder everyone (yvvone, daddy eckart, derrick, reynold, the imperial family including callisto, and more) when things with yvonne didn't go EXACTLY like he planned. (the next few things are influenced by magic) he then tried to get callisto killed bc he was like 'if i can't have her then i'll make sure no one else can'...he also kidnapped penelope and him and callisto fought when callisto came to rescue her. Some people forget that ALL of the ML's would've killed penelope and this girl was just trying to survive. Callisto, Reynold, and Derrick were the ML's who'd kill her regardless bc they are hot heads...but with vinter and eclise you had to press the right buttons for them to do that. If she became a threat to the kids saftey, that would trigger vinter's possibly killing her (as we saw). That is bc he is responsible for their saftey and bc of the way wizards are treated in that empire. Eclise hated this empire bc of what they did to his empire and that's why from the very beginning eclise and penelope had this game of pretend. eclise wanted to kill her...that incident with him swinging his sword at her was not an accident..he swung at her intentionally. over time though he became obsessed with her and we saw the results of that. His ending was befitting of his character. After he lost his memories, he stalked her for 3 years bc he felt this strong emotion towards her. He didn't know if it was hatred or love (it was obsession) because he didn't have his memories. When he confronted her about this unclear strong feeling, she tried to deny that they knew each other but he just doesn't believe it. She then told him to head [*insert direction that i forgot*] bc he'd find all his answers there. She sent him back to where his empire was. There is no need to portray eclise's character as the poor victim and penelope as the evil villain. both had faults but eclise is baby-ed way too much. Penelope was trying to survive these crazy ML's, who would've killed her, and go back to her world. Regardless of her endgoal..she did try to look out for him whenever he got himself in trouble with derrick or the other knights. She also tried to cheer him up after he got upset after seeing her speaking to another man (callisto). She didn't have feelings for him but she did pity him and his situation whilst still trying to look out for herself ofc.
when you said none of them i thought you meant all of the ML's but if you're referring to just her family i don't disagree. it took her 5 years before she forgave them but i wouldn't blame her if she never did. they hurt her a lot (and some killed her). Like i said before i do like reynold but i don't deny his fucked up actions. yeah derrick became obsessed with her the moment she was brought into the family (aka when they were little). It's so messed up bc that was the reason for his abuse towards her. His obsession with her began to manifest itself as hate and that's why he abused her. He wanted to keep her in this cage so to speak. As you know, she thinks that he doesn't like her calling him brother (oppa) because of his love for Yvonne...but it's actually because of his sexual/romantic obsession with her. That's the real reason he never recognized her as his sister. Yeah the dad may have never done anything to Penelope but his neglectful ass was enabling her abuse from the brothers and the servants bc in their heads why should they respect someone the duchy doesn't even respect.
Damn after reading all the spoilers my opinion’s changed drastically thanks for the info
yw but opinions towards which characters (i think you're referring to eclise but like just clarifying)
Wow derek wtf sociopath much. Lmao. I dont agree with his actions but damn if I dont find him pitiful.
Yeah it’s Eclis that my opinion changed about the most. I saw him as cute but from how you described his actions further in the story he just seems dangerous now. :(
None of them deserve her affection except the prince. Im so mad