The author will be the one to decide with who Soo Young will end up with, whether we prefer Taesung or Minhyuk (I love both Taesung cause he’s just so damn handsome n Minhyuk but Minhyuk a little bit much cause he’s a cutie plus he seems pretty serious about Soo Young and wants a safe and normal life for him and that’s why he wants to run away with him). They’re both fighting for Soo Young. Instead of acting like dumb kids and argue like ‘noo Minhyuk is trash and he’s a rapist’ or ‘Taesung is better than Minhyuk’ (even though both of them did what they did) just let us enjoy the manga as it is. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
Hm yeah I get what you're saying. I think this manga is a little more plot heavy and more complicated than a taesung vs minhyuk as a main love haha. I think people always simplify these sorts of mangas. i.e., main love = good guy.
Except that's totally not the case, everyone in this manga is batshit crazy. Like legitimately mentally unwell mixed with a predisposition for violence in jobs which values these traits.
The way Sooyung is treated is meant to make us uncomfortable and feel weird. It's not really 'just' getting cuffed up there's the psychological aspect of Sooyoung being 'kept' (or "safe" as Taesung perceives it, but I think both mean the same thing to him).
Your 'sooyoung has a well known history of not listening and staying put' is a little hmm. He's a whole person haha, with autonomous actions thoughts and feelings, not a pet like you've implied lol. The reason this even happened was because Taesung hasn't told him anything and values control over any sort of communication.
I feel just because the actions make sense in the context of the character doesn't mean any opposition to his behaviour is a 'goodness what an un Christian action!". Like it's a legitimate yikes dude that's a lot - because it is alot more than a *just* cuffing him to a bed.
You're right tho, Min is gross and taesung is also gross. Sooyung is like, seriously unwell. Nobody is okay hahah and that's kind of the fun of the story.
I think you may have understood me, well I guess it's kinda partly my fault as I've written that under intense emotion. Anyway,
"I think people always simplify these sorts of mangas. i.e., main love = good guy."
That's actually kinda opposite of what I think. I pretty much acknowledge Taesung's flaws, but I would see more often than not, overexagerrationd and misleading stuff about him. That's what I take issue of. If you want to criticize him at least do it properly and factually. People would often simplify and overexagerrate when it comes to Taesung while people would often downplay or ignore it when it comes to Minhyuk. That's what irks me.
"Except that's totally not the case, everyone in this manga is batshit crazy."
I mean I did acknowledge he's a gangster boss. What I don't get is why are people so overly conservative about this stuff (and it's particularly skewed towards a specific character as well)
"The way Sooyung is treated is meant to make us uncomfortable and feel weird."
I didn't say it was a good thing either. What I was trying to say is to stop making an overexagerration about it which can lead to some quite misleading conclusions.
"He's a whole person haha, with autonomous actions thoughts and feelings, not a pet like you've implied lol."
What??? I'm sorry but how tf did you interpret that as me implying he's a pet? I'm basically saying he's stubborn. That is one of Sooyung's defining trait. He doesn't really listen unless something happens.(sorry for the rather aggressive reaction but I despise this pet thing, much more being accused of liking or implying it).
"The reason this even happened was because Taesung hasn't told him anything and values control over any sort of communication."
Partly true. It's both. It's because of Taesung keeping his secret and Sooyung wanting to know that particular secret and we all know why Taesung doesnt what the secret to be found. It was inevitable in this setup. Plus, you wouldn't normally snoop around gangster territories, lol. But not Sooyung of course, because that's what he is. He is stubborn and brave. He wants to know the truth and he suffered the consequences for it.
"I feel just because the actions make sense in the context of the character doesn't mean any opposition to his behaviour is a 'goodness what an un Christian action!".
I'm not saying what he did was good, lol. That was just me basically calling out the hypocrisy of some certain people saying this sort of stuff while barely even criticizing the more un-Christian stuff that Minhyuk did. I wrote that in a heat of moment.
The reason why I have hope for Taesung is because he has a very huge chance/possibility for character development. It has been shown time and time again in the manhwa that he has the capacity to do better and be better for Sooyung but his over possessiveness always makes him do shitty stuff. What needs to happen is Sooyung confronting Taesung about his involvement with his uncle's death as well as some other stuff.
I forgot to add this in my previous reply.
"I think people always simplify these sorts of mangas. i.e., main love = good guy."
Well you see, ever heard of the lesser of two evils? That's basically what I'm rooting for. Because it's kinda highly likely that the author will end Sooyung with Taesung and that this story is clearly on the much more darker side.
Reading this comment of mine again in a much calmer state made me realize what a mess it is, lol. Eh, I guess I'll let it stay there, I'm curious on what other type of response/reaction I'll get.
No, you've completely misunderstood my comment and need better reading comprehension. I was just responding to your comment because I thought you made some interesting points and wanted to discuss a cool storyline, not attack you. It's odd you've decided to go through point by point, but I guess I'll do that too?
1. My first point was me agreeing with you. Of course it's opposite to what you think - I'm saying that's how people who do the whole simplistic Minhyuk vs Taesung nonsense see this story (e.g., the people YOU disagree you).
2. The second point was ALSO me agreeing with you.
3. ALSO me agreeing with you.
4. You tried to say how Sooyung is being treated isn't actually that bad, but it's happened cause he's stubborn and Taesung wants to protect him. My reply was pointing out if that's the case, Sooyung is a full grown adult who makes his own decisions and isn't like a pet to be told what to do and when to do it, which is exactly how Taesung is trying to treat him.
5. Yeah I agree.
5. Yeah I know you were calling out the hypocrisy. But again, if we take away Minkhyuk vs Taesung crap - discussing Taesung's actions doesn't mean we've missed the darker tones of the manga and are too "conservative" to get it. It's just people discussing the story and the character's actions. (Side note - you've used the term "unchristian", while I know the term, it's not commonly used where I'm from. Do you say it alot?).
6. I agree. That's how story's work, there's character development. I'm hoping Sooyung changes and grows and manages to change his environment rather than waiting for it to change around him.
As for your "lesser of two evils", sure whatever. Idc who ends up with who, I'm more looking forward to the character development of our main dude and seeing him become an independent healthy person.
It's highkey bummed me out I replied to your comment thinking oh cool, interesting points and you replied in this weird angry way aha. It doesn't bother me when people disagree with me it's cool to discuss different viewpoints and opinions. Maybe you should keep that in mind.
Dude, let me say this first, I think you also misunderstood my reply as well. That reply wasn't referring to you. That was a criticism towards me. I didn't perceive your reply as hateful at all. That's why I took the time to reply to it properly.
Let me make it clear again since this seems to be spiraling into a complete misunderstanding. That reply was a self criticism made by me, directed towards myself. I did not perceive your reply as an attack towards me at all.
Okay, no worries. All good
"need better reading comprehension."
Quite uncalled for but okay I guess since it was from a misunderstanding (and I guess I might need to lol)
Ah it seems I see where I started to misunderstand you. You had a paragraph that I perceived as you talking to me when in fact you didn't. So my mistake.
" Sooyung is a full grown adult who makes his own decisions and isn't like a pet to be told what to do and when to do it, which is exactly how Taesung is trying to treat him."
Ah you see I really don't agree with the pet thing. I just dislike it. Sooyung is a full grown adult man, yes that's true but you see to Taesung, Sooyung needs him that's why he tends to tell him what to and what not to do. It's not because he treats him like a pet, it's more like a controlling overbearing authority of some sort. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just want to really drop the pet thing.
"discussing Taesung's actions doesn't mean we've missed the darker tones of the manga and are too "conservative" to get it. It's just people discussing the story and the character's actions."
I'm pretty confident that you didn't miss it. That was more just directed to those who did. To those who frequently overexagerrate stuff. I'm pretty sure you're not that type of person so I would like to clear up that that wasn't directed to you.
" you've used the term "unchristian", while I know the term, it's not commonly used where I'm from. Do you say it alot?)."
Ah, sorry about that. It was just brought out by the heat of the moment. It's actually the first time I've used it. I don't really use it all. It was just due to the lack for better words during that time.
Again, I didn't mean to come off as an angry reply to you. Just know that it wasn't really. Well I'll admit I did get a bit mad at that pet bit but other than that, I wasn't really angry at your reply nor did I perceive it to be hateful.
I hope this clear things up.
Ahh finally someone with common sense!
What even is this. "He's treating Sooyung like less of a human being. He's treating him like a dog". If someone who doesn't follow/read the manhwa read this comments, they would surely think that this Sooyung person is being treated like not a human e.g. not provided with basic human needs/necessities, treated like a pet for recreation, etc. , when in fact none of those shit come even close to what has actually happened, which is that Sooyung only got cuffed and locked up.
Bruhhh, he's a gangster boss, surely you'd expect he would do this sort of extreme measure.
Did y'all even at least slightly read the manhwa? It's essentially this:
Taesung is possessive and afraid of losing Sooyung +
Sooyung goes missing for quite a while with the possibility of him being already dead +
Sooyung got badly beat up +
Tension between other rival gangs is rising +
Taesung knowing full well that if these rival gangs comes for him, they'll come for Sooyung as well +
Sooyung has a well known history of not listening and staying put which is why he got beat up and kidnapped in the first place =
Taesung locking him up, probably both for his protection and to keep him close for himself (possessive duh).
Like bruuuh, just stop slandering Taesung with overexagerrations and misleading out-of-context bullshit and just directly say that you hate him because you prefer Minhyuk to be endgame with Sooyung (even tho he's totally nasty as well and his "love" for Sooyung is absolutely one-sided lol). Just stop with this "oh no, what he did is not a very Christian thing to do" nonsense.