completely different approaches to therapy is the important part here
Yes. In the US people usually get an undergrad degree first (maybe in psychology or biology or premed, but maybe not) and then apply either for either graduate school (for a psychologist a PysD or PhD--in some cases a "counselors" may have a MA or degree on social work) or go the med school (where they can specialize in psychiatry). We call many people with advanced degrees "Dr. X" but only an MD is a "doctor".
in case we're still discussing this, In Chapter 35, Ueda says, "Are you a doctor?"
I'm paraphrasing from memory so I might be off: "I'm in Internal Medicine, in Psychiatry, but what I do is different from other doctors." Thing is, we have lots of conflicting information here, so the above is subject to uncertainty as well as all else. Here's some links to various bits about Kurose's profession: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v01/c001/32/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v01/c002.5/4/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v01/c006/9/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ten_count/mf/c005/pg-4/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v02/c012.2/2/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v01/c002/3/ <~I'm pretty sure someone made a mistake here. I could be wrong but it looks like the card should be Kurose's not Shirotani's.
In the Japanese version, he's a "kaunserā" aka a "qualified psycholgical counselor".
I guess it's a cultural thing. In the official English version, he's stated to be a therapist. In the French version, he's a psychiatrist.
What is referred as counseling in Japan is always about the domain of psychology. Not sure how it is actually in the English western world, but I thought I'd clarify that aha.
They even borrowed an English term for it (kaunserā is the japanese pronounciation of conselor). That's because counseling and psychotherapy is not a Japanese concept but a very western one, and it's still not quite familiar to lots of Japanese natives.
Also, apparently psychotherapy can also be administered by a psychiatrist in Japan. But they usually don't, because of time constraints (too many people for a few doctors), it's quicker to go with pharmacotherapy. Plus, psychotherapy/counseling is not available for health insurances, as it's not legally a medical care.
So while they can, it's still more of a psychotherapist/counselor thing.
Since this is fiction, it may be that the mangaka doesn't care to differentiate. In another manga, a character called "Dr. Minori" appears to be a combination chiropractor, physical therapist, massage therapist, and applied sex therapist (and a soccer coach).
He's clearly said to be a psychologist, or at least perform counseling (well, in the official version, not scanlations). It's just that in Japan, the two often mix it seems, psychiatrists can do psychotherapy as well, so that may be confusing.
It also explains the part where he says he's saying "I'm in Internal Medicine, in Psychiatry, but what I do is different from other doctors.". It's just rare to have psychotherapy practiced in Japan.
Haven't yet read it in the original language aside from the summaries on Amazon lol, but I guess he's stated to be a psychiatrist since that's what it was translated in French, and he prefers to do psychotherapy which is practiced as well by psychiatrists in Japan, but in very few numbers, hence the "I'm doing it differently from them".
My take on a manga I still haven't read lol, but it makes sense to me xD.
No argument from me on that.. :) But to further muddy the waters, in the US, internal medicine is a different certification than psychiatry, though some may have dual certification. That's why I thought maybe the mangaka didn't think it was very important to the story to clarify his exact credentials.
LOL!
Let me just throw some fuel on the fire. LOL. Sorry!. The name of the clinic where Kurose works is "Psychomatics." Are the translators messing with us? No matter how modern-day techno-jargon tries to pretty it up, "psychosomatic" is a pejorative term that means "it's all in your head." It doesn't apply to serious mental illnesses like obsessive compulsive disorder and mysophobia. Disagree with me if you like, but "psychomatic" is not going to escape its negative connotations, not in this lifetime.
Yes, it's way too close to psychosomatic, and even if it weren't, it would evoke automation or machine images.
I'm sorry. The name of Kurose's clinic is Psychosomatics not Psychomatics. Geez, the whole point was that the clinic is literally named for a word that means "it's all in your head." It's not just sort of named something that's close to the word, it's named for the exact word, Psychosomatic. (muttering to self: good lord! how'd I get that spelling wrong?) Except for the wrong spelling, everything else I said stands, and please pardon my mistake.
Ah damn! I'm sorry anoni grrl, I misspelled Psychosomatic. Thank you for pointing it out so I could try to clarify. Psychomatics is my misspelling. The name of the clinic is Psychosomatics. Also, thanks for the backup. It does literally evoke negative images. Thanks, too, I always particularly appreciate your comments.
I wasn't sure it was an error--and I am the queen of typos. But that's even funnier--a Freudian learning story calling a clinic Psychosomatic. :)
Clarification sake, psychotherapy can be practised by psychiatrist but you can't get a licence (or practice it with certainty) in a psychotheraputical therapy (e.g. CBT, Gestalt) if you haven't met the critera. Most psychotherapy schools require a minimum of a master’s degree in mental health (or at the very least, a master’s degree in a medical-related field) or a Doctoral degree, also there is a limit of a age – you have to be at least 25 years to apply, if you are younger you can't apply.
The majority of schools will require that you have a pre-specified amount of supervised therapy time under your belt. The exact experience requirement will vary from school to school, but most require at least six years of post-mater’s experience in therapy. Practitioners who have a minimum of 10 years of experience might qualify for the a licence.
Kurose is to young to be a psychotherapist.
And also both a psychologist and a psychiatrist are Doctors, however, someone practice psychology has earned a doctorate degree that is either a PhD or a PsyD, whereas someone practicing psychiatry is a medical doctor.
See, we're trying to elevate Kurose, so when you throw sand in our eyes with the truth, we're likely to react with extreme measures. LOL He's 26 so we're good. add 6 years that's 32. No good. We need to find Kurose 6 years. graduate high school: 16 graduate college 18 graduate degree age 20. add 6 years supervised therapy. 26. We made it! But see, your requirements are too strict, and we don't like it! LOL Anyway,(not meeting anyone's eyes) I've known lots of 26 year old psychotherapists and psychiatrists. (sly look)
Mmmh, well that may be the one part that the author knowingly omitted for the sake of having a younger Kurose? ;)
Does anyone know for certain? Is he a psychiatrist, a medical doctor who can prescribe meds etc.? Or is he a psychologist, a specialist who is licensed to do talk therapy?