Especially if the mangaka is a fan of the serious that means that they wanted to share it with people, right? You can't get someone to want to read or watch the original content if what you present holds nothing of interests and even more only confuses the reader.
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Exactly. This weird thing certainly didn't make me want to read the actual series at all, quite the contrary.
I'm not a fan of doujinshi to begin with, in general. I'd certainly never do it with a series of mine: I'd always want to write stories for the actual series. I'd also never have my fixed personages do things totally out of character in a seperate story, the way it's done in doujinshi. That is something we Belgian mangaka never do! If your character is like this or like that, you keep him that way for ever. Our characters are sacred! Imagine Tintin or the Smurfs do weird things they'd never do in the real series? Never.
Plus: we think the script is just as, or even more important than the drawings; we're storytellers trough and trough.
I often wonder what the real reason of making 'doujinshi' actually is. I'd have to ask one of my Japanese colleagues, one day, if ever I get to meet one...
this dj was made for people who are fans of dtb, it was drawn because people like that show. theres no "should be this way or that way", the mangaka may even have drawn it because they enjoy dtb, not just for money. of course i understand your wanting to read it without having to watch the series, but the mangaka can draw whatever they wish.
Well duhhh, of course he can. That's not what I'm saying, I just don't think it's a good idea, that's all. Even if I question the quality, that doesn't mean I deny the author the right to make what he wants. I just never would do it myself, for the reasons I mentioned. And just as this mangaka, I have the right to do as I please, don't I? And also to say what I think...
you do, which is why i never said anything about you not being able to say what you did. where did it seem like i was telling you that you couldn’t say what you wanted? i was just saying that a dj isnt bad just because people who havent seen the original cant understand it.
Well, that's exactly what I found was bad. I happen to think it should be good on it's own, even for people who haven't seen the original series. Else it's like a waste. That's what I think. That's all I meant.
ok, thats fine, but this way its like an inside joke and doesnt waste pages explaining things that the fans already know. Besides, if it was an all-can-understand dj, how is it different than any other original manga? This one gives a little secret twist at the end that wouldn’t be as exciting if it was all laid out, and wouldn’t make sense to put if this was meant for anyone. This dj may be confusing for others, but its pretty exciting for fans of the show. And again, I’m not saying you’re wrong or anything, I’m just explaining why it may be a "waste" for others but a jem for fans.
I guess.
Where I am, mangaka don't draw dj because most of us only publish albums right away, the comics magazines having all gone bakcrupt or closed down a few decades ago. In Japan, they still sell thousands of issues a week, so the mangaka are all hired by those magazine publishing companies, who ask them to make a certain number of stories a month, or a year.
Mangaka (and our predecessors from like 30 years ago, when the magazines still existed) all first publish their stories in things like Shounen Jump, and when their story is successfull in the magazine, they make seperate stories sold directly to the fanzines, editions paid and published directly by the fans of the mangaka or the comic series. Doujinshi aren't published by the same editor as the original story: that's why they usually are often different from it in genre. If the fans ask for, say, a yaoi or hentai or yuri or shotacon or lolicon version of one of their favorite series, be it Naruto or whatever, then the mangaka will have to make that in his spare time, outside the hours of his original series. The fans maybe pay better or so, which bring some mangaka to make them, eventhough they're busy enough without it.
But we don't have that opportunity: we depend exlusively on the end publisher, just albums, no pre-publications magazines.
So we aren't going to waste our time drawing stuff that hasn't got but remotely something to do with our real story. And we don't have legions of readers either. Most of us can't live off it anymore: selling an album now and then doesn't pay your rent. So we all have a day job to make ends meet, except for a very small few. That too makes a difference.
i thought a lot of dj were made by different people than the original author though? Cause a lot of them have completely different art than the original does, and there are some people who specialize in dj.
Yeah, those are the fans themselves, or wannabe mangaka who make doujinshi from stories that are very popular in order to make their name and art known, hoping to get the attention from the publishers that way, and find a contract. It's one of the ways for beginning mangaka to start a career. But originally doujinshi are stories for 'fanzines', magazines that are created by fans of a mangaka or a series, or of "manga' in general, and who get the mangaka who makes the series to make a seperate story for their fanzine. A famous mangaka would have to be paid for that, of course; but a reasonably unknown, aspiring mangaka would even do it for free, as long as it's being spread widely... so big fan groups who are getting a name for themselves will attract beginning mangaka. Everybody wants their spot in the sun, and there are a lot of spots in the sun. The market is huge, Japanese people read tons of manga each year, the magazines sell enormous amounts of issues each, and so even the fans own publications are attractive. Sometimes one of those fan groups get so big they actually become a real manga publishing company.
It's something to be jealous of, in Europe, really.
When you buy a game some times the creator company can make and sell separately an expansion. But you have to have the main game in order to play the expansion. That's the rule. Yes you pay additional money, but you can use it only if you had purchase in the past the main game. Same here. Most DJ are saying nothing about the story, no exposition. You are suppose to know it. And it is a "fan service" to present a sentimental or a sexual scene of some beloved characters. For example for many Tiger and Bunny DJs you really had to know the story to comprehend the DJ as it has reference to a specific event and its aftermath.
I see. They probably do it on purpose, then, in order to leave the original story unharmed, so to speak. Stil, I would never make my characters do things that don't befit their personality. That just would feel wrong to me. And I wouldn't allow any fans of mine do it either. (Provided I had fans that would want to do it, which I don't, at least none that I know of)
I recommend watching the anime so you don’t get left out. :
I might. It's bound to be better than this!
DEFINITELY better than this imo! I hope you check it out. o:
Oh but I only watched the anime back when I was still in high school so I might be wearing rose-colored glasses. I look back at it fondly though.
Those memories are pleasant things, aren't they. I've got plenty of those too
I know it's Doujinshi. Still, even for those who've never read the series, a dj should be worth reading! Although rather well-drawn, I didn't understand zilch about this story. It made no sense whatsoever. I don't know 'Darker than black'; but I shouldn't have had to, is what I mean.
A story that's totally uncomprehensible to anyone who hasn't read the series, is a waste of energy, if you ask me. Dj or no dj... Mangaka shouldn't waste their precious time that way, unless it is any good on it's own, and not just the drawings: the script as well.