yea that is true i think it’s bc mingwa is so popular so everyone (even those who have never seen other works with dub-con elements) came to read bc of the hype but then got disappointed or smth.
I’ll be honest with you: I don’t care THAT much so this whole essay was kind of unnecessary. I’m only commenting and stuff bc I enjoy discussing stories with other readers. I still read everything tho bc I myself hate it when people go “I ain’t reading allat.” I can see that you really like this character and believe in him so I’m not gonna argue with you on why I think he’s one of the worst semes. You’re entitled to your own opinion. I don’t HATE the author or the story, I’m just expressing things I don’t like about it and why I don’t like where the story is going. After all, I’m still here and curious as to where the story goes. For me, if someone says “no” or “stop” and clearly means it like how dan is thinking “i can’t do it” then the other person should at least slow down to ask if he’s sure he wants to keep going. The fault isn’t only on jaekyung tho bc dan did lie that he had experience and jaekyung puts a lot of importance to winning. Still, it seems you really like jaekyung and he can do no wrong in your eyes so… Anyways, have a great day.
I’ll be honest with you: I don’t care THAT much so this whole essay was kind of unnecessary. I’m only commenting bc I enjoy having story discussions with other readers lol I still read everything bc I myself hate it when people go “I ain’t reading all that.” I can see that you really like this character and believe in him so I’m not gonna argue with you on why I think he’s one of the worst semes. You’re entitled to your own opinion. I don’t HATE the author or the story, I’m just expressing things I don’t like about it and why I don’t like where the story is going. After all, I’m still here and curious as to where the story goes. For me, if someone says “no” or “stop” and clearly means it like how dan is thinking “i can’t do it” then the other person should at least slow down to ask if he’s sure he wants to keep going. The fault isn’t only on jaekyung tho bc dan did lie that he had experience and jaekyung puts a lot of importance to winning. Still, it seems you really like jaekyung and he can do no wrong in your eyes so… Anyways, have a great day. It was nice to read another perspective I guess
Congratulations on exposing yourself there. The “essay” was necessary as you told me to read the story again. I read it a few times at least the first few chapters. I was explaining to you why it was not rape as you are so desperately wanting it to be. You should ask yourself why?
Do you really enjoy discussing it with reader as you just called my comments to your forcing your POV on me as unnecessary as I used the story against your POV? That is contradicting.
It seems you would be talking to me instead of ending the conversation.
“I can see you like this character.” You are assuming. You are appealing to some fallacious arguments. I don’t care to look them up. And why are you making it my opinion or trying to make it my opinion? Because it is easier to discredit your opponent or make the the truth look smaller. I don’t have an opinion on the story or any of the characters besides it is not rape and it is a bit on the toxic side. I was ask to analyze.
What is he saying no too? Some times he is answering questions to Joo. What is he saying stop too? He isn’t being clear. But…..then Dan asked him to go slower to Joo in chapter 4. As easy it is to no constant he constants again. Stop cherry picking and read the whole scene. This isn’t rape. You can’t use what Dan is thinking here. Joo isn’t a mind reader. FYI: Joo did stop. So stop taking the story out of context. Read chapter 4. Joo ask why he was crying. Dan say he was startled. If Dan was honest. Joo would had did something different.
Joo wants sex not to rape him. If you think rape is sex then you should seek professional help.
My opinion isn’t = to pointing out the story to you. Get the facts straight. Stop the manipulative behavior “since you really like Joo, and he can do no wrong to you”. How disgusting you had to go there. But that is you taking the L by using a fallacious argument to try to get under my skin to try to “win”. Learn how a conversation works if you enjoy “discussing” stories with other readers. Get facts straight about the story and if someone liking or not liking a character straight. Stop the manipulative behavior.
BTW, You are wrong. I am a neutral person here with Yaoi. I am normally called in for interpretations or settle something. My wife, my best friend, and their friends are into Yaoi. I am a straight male … who has read some Yaoi. Your reply is actually very hilarious with all your assumptions. Haha. I have said this a few times on here. So your manipulative argument just fails apart. I wonder what would happen if you would had talked to me instead of being disrespectful and manipulative. Oh, my best friend like Joo because he reminds her of her ex boyfriend (besides the violent behavior). She will say Joo is toxic and violent. What in the world are you talking about. Haha. Try again.
P.S. Go read Dispar. You would have a case there.
With Joo being one of the worst semes…. Go read more toxic Yaoi. The story does not support your POV.
The story: the book hit the floor by a bump.
Your POV: the book was slammed to the ground by Joo. Then Joo slammed the table to the wall. Joo grabbed the table again and slammed it to the wall.
Me: pointing the story out to. It was Dan that bumped the table.
You: Joo can do no wrong in your eye! He is your favorite character!
Me: huh?
It seems he can’t do anything right either. You dismiss everything he does. You want to hate him and over exaggerate his behavior while dismissing his good behavior. Then claim he is my favorite character by pointing out the story saying something different… and how you are behaving.
No. He isn’t the worst. He isn’t one of the worst either. Read the story carefully. He is not the best and he isn’t one of the best either. It is just ridiculous.
Go to my second comment in this thread. It is to blue moon.
Damn you're right actually that does make sense
Why is there no edit option!!
I used damn twice and now i feel so cringe and edgy
Three times now. Haha.
You can only edit your main one ….. if I remember correctly.
Bruh
I mean I really don’t understand why you’re so pissed at me?? In the beginning when we first started this conversation you suggested that the first time only “comes close to rape.” I countered it since I do consider that first time to be non-consensual. Sure dan might have only “assumed” that he was gonna get beat up, but it’s not like jaekyung convinced him otherwise. Especially when he actually does verbalize that dan won’t be able to leave the room safe and sound AFTER he even beat up someone else in front of dan too. Then YOU began to say disrespectful things like “I don’t value your opinion now” “Can’t you read between the lines?” “Did you catch that or are you to got up crying in wolf” and then also started assuming things about me like “It seems you just hate the story.” So you don’t really get to call me out on assuming that you like jaekyung since so far that’s how it seemed to me. My bad for saying that you liked him. I don’t know everything about your life so stop acting like I should’ve known. I said that I don’t think the essay is necessary because it’s not like I’m trying to analyze this character on THAT level. This is what I think of his character as of now. I don’t like him because he’s violent and mean and right now all his kind moments are not convincing me otherwise. I disagree that he’s not one of the worst semes. He might not be THE worst ever but he’s not that great either. That’s all. I don’t need you telling me I’m disgusting, manipulative, and disrespectful when you don’t know anything about me outside of this comment section. You might have convinced me otherwise if you were more respectful but no. Just because you don’t agree with me it seems this discussion is moving on to you insulting me instead so I think that’s enough. Sorry for wasting your time.
Why are you giving my comments emotion? It is a tactic to discredit your opponent by making them look something you hope to discredit them. I am not. You don’t have that power.
I did not suggest. I said by using story point and you can’t counter with a POV. The first time is consensual.
Now you are lying and taking things out of context.
You have been disrespectful and dishonest with me. If you were honest we would not be here. “I don’t value your opinion now” was after your disrespectful and manipulative behavior.
“Can’t you read between the lines?” Was being helpful. Really?
“Did you catch that or are you to got up crying in wolf” I was trying to wake up you. Should I do this you were my comments would be nothing compared to yours?
“and then also started assuming things about me like “It seems you just hate the story.”” If I said this you are taking this out of context. I have to read my comment on this but I think I know what I meant and it is huge leap from your interpretation.
I have not assumed it is in your words. I analyze words. You ≠ words. How about asking instead of using an assumption in a fallacious argument? You told me to read like I would be forced into your POV but the story will state different. I will explaining to you reading it again will not get your false opinion. You seem to realize I analyzed the character on a deep level but it is assuming with your words. I hit close did I? Only reasons for those comments. Your opinion on him being one of the worst seme is just that your opinion. You can disagree with reality. I wasn’t giving you my opinion.
I said disgusting, manipulative, and disrespectful to behavior ≠ you. You can change your behavior and don’t make it you. Don’t change my words for a asinine lecture.
I have been respectful. I just called you out on your bad behavior. This has nothing about you outside this comment section I must had hit close again. Words are revealing if you know how to understand them. I have not insulted you. You continue to insult and lie about me. The story disagrees with you. It is not me. Get it right.
It seems you are trying to hate to story and Joo.
It seems - a guess.
You are trying— an action not an assumption.
It is on words. I am being false accused it wasn’t assuming things about them.
It was about the action that I already explained.
Story: Dan bumps the table.
Them: Joo throw the book. Joo slammed the table to the wall.
Me: Story point. Story point.
Them: I disagree with you!!! Joo did it.
Me: They are so angry they can’t see they are over exaggerating or blaming Joo to where they can’t see the story. It was all on the words. If they are acting like this I must had hit the nail on the head. Who would lie and take comments out of context to make false accusations?
I wished we could like individual comments like twitter.
No. He isn't the worst. He's up there though.
He is tying it real close with Seungho though ngl. They'd either be best friends or fight to the death. Jokes aside.
But whether it's specifically rape or SA: It is still wrong.
Therefore no matter what 'good' things he does (even though he got angry/lashed out after most good things anyway or did it for selfish intent), that doesn't delude the fact that he isn't treating Dan like a human being. More like an object.
The contract? Yeah yeah, it exists as a flimsy plot point I guess. It specifically calls for Dan "whenever, wherever". Sure! Maybe Dan, being so money hungry, could prepare more?? But wait, how can he have time to prepare when Mr. Eyebrows wants him right smack dab in the middle of a locker room full of other people? That isn't fair.
Also, he never treats him kindly? Or at least, he never isn't an asshole to Dan.
If you wanted someone to stay- N E E D them to stay because of a LIFE ruining Jinx that you have and fear...shouldn't he be treating him better? ffs he's probably gonna get sick again at this point cause he's just been treated like a tool. I'm surprised he hasn't bled more or gotten an STD. Idk, the plot just seems really iffy there anyway.
Also in the story, I don't see the contract as a contract anyway. Idk how to explain? I mean. There's no details? There is an offer: Money. But there's no consideration for Dan. He and Jaek have accepted it and agree, but there's no clause or thought put into it. (Correct me if I'm wrong). I had to push past some chapters cause obv they were frustrating to read.
I'm mainly pissed about the public advertising of a NSFW story with SA in it. That's pretty weird man... we don't need NSFW stories advertised on giant billboards, especially with people saying that it's "Hot" or "sexy"...
Sorry this is so long, I hope it's legible. Enough.
Can somebody explain the low rating for this? Cause i've seen so many bs stories with higher rating and i feel like the story just got a bad rep in the beginning and that's why the rating is low? Like sure the seme is an asshole but he is faaaaar better than many other toxic semes so i don't get it