OHH I SAID AT THE BOTTOM THAT I WAS PROBABLY BIASED. i made the degree of it a point in my original essay-like comment or atleast i think i did?? I mentioned how it impacted others, that was referring to the degree of how severe it was i.e. how impactful were the actions on other people. What you're saying is true haha, it annoys me that all slowly becomes forgiven with no concequences like prison time but that is a sad reality of how a lot of abusive situations go. When you're in hell theres only one way to go and its up. I do hope people can try to be the best versions if themselves, not harming others nor themselves.
Everything you said here I 100% agree with. Yes! A person should carry that guilt the rest of their lives and it should drive them to work EVERY SINGLE DAY to be kind and respectful. Absolutely. And yes! I agree, these stories that downplay the hurt, the pain, the trauma a person experiences with being raped is awful. I agree.
A person shouldn't have to go through these things, and most people don't orgasm with tape. That's just not right because in their head, they want it to stop... Their whole body is being sent that message. And that's very true, people shouldn't stay with their abuser. I wish some of these stories would show a person who has been traumatized but doesn't physically harm the partner. They have self control or at least have that ability to say, "I need you to leave me alone because I don't think I can handle my anger or x feelings."
And staying with abuser omg... Yeah no. Not really okay. They certainly are experiencing Stockholm syndrome.
Even if they do end up together... Well the abuser better be a fucking saint pretty much. I expect every chapter to be filled with healthy communication, healthy therapy, healthy genuine love etc.
I couldn't have said it better than what you said.
Oh and one last thing in the forgivness. I remember hearing in a movie about how, "forgiveness is not for the other person, it's for you."
Victims are victims, they weren't ever at fault. And they can live and be stronger, but I know forgetting is almost impossible.
Yeah they're never at fault youre right, they should forgive to be happier and heal not to make the perpetrators feel better about themselves. I hope the way i said it makes sense lol Greag quite by the way you remember the name of the movie?
great quote*
I saw it as a bad person doing good things. He just did too much shit to see him as a good person. Of course I still hope at least he'll improve as a human being, but that doesn't excuse his past behaviour. He may be not the worst but still bad in my books.
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Oh I think it was the Blind Side. Also, I want to apologize if whatever I said came out harsh. I'm really bad with words but I'm glad we can have a healthy discussion. You've been very respectful and I appreciate you for that. I didn't mean to come off rude or anything.
Nothing came off as harsh or rude haha, you were very sweet man. I enjoyed this conversation too, have a great day .
I'm glad! I think these conversations need to be said especially by right minded people like you and I. I get disgusted when I see people say they've been reading since 8 years old and now they're like 13 or 14 and they love those extremely toxic stories. I'm like OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS???? like okay... I read them but at least I KNOW what's toxic and what's not. I know fiction from reality. These CHILDREN need to touch grass and get off the damn internet. Of course, we can't do anything to stop them, but the least we can do is warn them by having these discussions.
I read these stories because well... The artwork is great many times and honestly I find it a mission to try to find green flag stories!
I have been watching. Sorry Mwahaminimi this is not for you.
Toilet.
Read Mwahaminiki’s reply here ^ (the one I am responding to)
You said to me “Im not trying to combat your opinion on the haters of this website but i dont think its relevant to the point i was making about Jaekyung nor is it a way to well...for lack of better wording, defend him??? “
I said to you “You just for the second time made many people on this page bad and unredeemable, including you (sometimes). “
I am not clear but it is not hard to see my point. My point is you are trying to make Jaekyung unredeemable when the haters on this page are worse. You are making it where no one is redeemable.
It has zero to do with my opinion. My point is you are saying the haters, including yourself (sometimes) are unredeemable. If you take the last month, the call outs are to help them see their actions for them to change. I know they can change. Then there is the fact most of them are teenagers and they will hopefully grow out of this stage. This was about your opinion to condemn Jaekyung who doesn’t fit your explanation well. The haters on this page fit it better. I was pointing that out. So you can see you are calling them unredeemable. I could had generalized the point to children to because that could fit to children. However, Mwahaminimi makes the same point but used everyone instead of just haters. It is a relevant point. I don’t like how you dismissed it as you did. I know it was not clear. As you said to someone else, “ I feel like this isnt hard to figure out. You can just look at the dates of each episode upload, theres a clear pattern.” I feel like what I said isn’t hard to figure out because there is a clear pattern of over a month and my opinion had nothing to do with it. My point is you are easily making everyone, including yourself unredeemable because you hate one character. Repeating myself in a different way. If I know you would respond like that. I would used everyone as well. I feel you go out of your way sometimes to make false accusations about me and I feel like it is on purpose. Stop it, will you. It is defending the story, not Jaekyung- said yet again to you.
“Not sure if you were doing that but it kind of felt like you were minimising his actions or something.” Would you stop doing this to.
Story: Jaekyung is aggressive towards others a few times.
You: you make it sound like it is each chapter, each scene.
Me: I corrected it back to the story. I am not and NEVER have minimized his actions. I said yet again. You feel like that because you are grossly over exaggerating his toxic behavior.
You are adding traits that are not there. I don’t think you take this seriously because by your comments, it is a joke to you. You have made that clear but that is you from a few weeks ago. You can be serious at times. Yet, you have told me not to be serious because you want to be able to say anything going against the story, so you could have fun with your “jokes” aka hate. When I just want to talk about the story.
People are capable of changing. I don’t think you have forgiven yourself or abuser as you are projecting that on Jeakyung and trying to condemn him. You should not carry shame or guilt for what happened. You carry shame and guilt for how you treat people.
Most of these stories are not really about rape or sexual abuse even if they are in the story. They are fictional, not reality.
It is more like, comments and real-life that affects and makes impressions on people. You have affect people with your behavior and comments.
I am glad you could had a conversation with Mwahaminimi. It was a surprising and welcoming change after a month and some. I don’t want to break the flow of that conversation between you and Mwahaminimi. Real conversation is what we need here. I just wish me and you could but we can’t if you keep making it like look like I am defending and minimizing Jaekyung’s actions or making an irrelevant point when it is a valid relevant point, or other comments that goes away from my comments. I unblocked you because I seen you were changing. Now you say people don’t change? You just a decent conversation that did disagree with you at first and I don’t think I seen that in the month I been here. You have not acted liked that towards us and it would been that easy to talk to all of us. We just reacted to your behavior and if we receive that behavior, we wouldn’t had a problem. You are sure people don’t change? That is against reality and what is happening here. It doesn’t happen over night. That is why you made those comments towards me. You still see us as an opponent. We will patient wait until we can a civil conversation with you. We are not enemies. Please stop the haters vs me bit. They are not my enemies either. We call out the bad behavior for them to self themselves to change for the better. Some they will lash out but ultimately the seeds are planted for them to start growing into better people by dropping bad behavior we call out. It could take years. They may think we are foolish at first or lying but later, they will know the truth. But in your opinion, they will never change or be better people.
I was in fact STANDING UP for the haters and you. That was a relevant point to make as you can tell.
That is what I am waiting for…. I have not read many of the new ones. At one point it was just Japanese Manga. I left for a few years and now I have to catch up on many series. I have read a few manhwa and Manhwu. I have a lot of reading to do. I read some of Painter of the night….. it was boring. Does it get better? Yours to Claim I have not read. You gave me some spoilers. lol
Anything can happen with Jaekyung. Let’s hope for the best.
Thank you for being here.
The whole point i originally made was specificated to what i wanted to say about Jaekyung and wanted to make it clear that the degree of severity is important. I made it clear that people can change so maybe i got a typo or you read it wrong?? I wanted to make it clear that this is also subjective, whether someone can be called bad person or not can depend on situational factors as well, which is why i said it multiple times. I generalised it for Jaekyung but i wouldnt for the comments because well, theyre real people. I think its much harder when they're actual people, Jaekyungs character isnt very dimensional yet so i dont think its needed to humanise him in terms of hidden reasons why he acts the way he does. I know i didnt mention it but the main reason i dont this Jaekyung is redeemable is because of the sexual abuse. I dont think his general aggresiveness is nearly as bad as the sexual violence. I wanted to dive a little deeper but not further than my knees if you get what i mean. Oh right, im not projecting at all here, maybe im somewhat sensitive but what happened to me was very different to whats happened to dan in basically every way possible. And well, I've always felt this way about sexual violence and its portrayal haha, its just the way my parents raised me. I dont think the way ive treated others is super bad but maybe you beg to differ, i cant really remember everything ive said after all. No idea what you meant about me forgiving myself though, if you misinterpreted the quote about how forgiveness is supposed to be yourself i want to make it clear that when you forgive its not because youve done something wrong but because you want to move on without that feeling of hatred for the person that has done wrong. I dont know if theres anything i should feel guilty about but i dont right now. I suggested you dont be serious because the comment you were under WAS a joke. The OP even said it was, it was just calling Jaekyung stupid as a joke, frankly, all the characters feel a little dumb and exaggerated but in different ways. I made it clear you can do what you want and its fine, i wasn't telling you to do anything.
This was disorganised so sorry for any typos or if the order in which i said things sounded confusing.
So many replies it's hard to keep up with who's talking to who! Lol
But PoTN Umm I mean i haven't finished it all the way but season 3 he's changed but the trauma is really coming to light and the severity of the trauma of Seungho/governor.
Oh haha my bad about yours to claim.
My girlfriend and I read it and we agree that everyone makes mistakes and redemption is possible on Yahwi. It's not a bad story, it's pretty simple but man... People hate so much when there's more gray areas in the story. There is character development, which I like. You might like it. :)
Well, hey if you ever read any good ones with pretty good character development and green flags hmu!
Jaekyung is handsome but I am so tired of people trying to defend him or finding his good points just to make his image better. He is the worst, please face the reality