Jesus!!

I don’t understand how people hate him when he was the victim from the beginning. Sad

of course, it’s easy to hate someone based on one perception. but even then, sasya could’ve easily done things different. and he’s being despised for a very good reason. at some point he had enough. but he really had to sell himself to get somewhere for god knows what reasons he couldn’t even fathom himself. even with his pov, there’s not much to justify or excuse.

you don’t understand or is it your compassion one dimensional? just because he became victim of something—doesn’t equally mean that everything he does should be justified in that same manner that pity perceives or make him out to be. saying he’s the victim for every action that he does is like beating a dead horse.

I never said that he’s a victim for every action what did he do? That is so terrible and not justifiable?? just because he said he was a Goddd and he wasn’t. Y’all make it seem like he committed something so terrible and so vile. matter of fact, yes, my compassion is one dimensional because at the end of the day, he may have told a lie, but he never deserved what happened to him. y’all are acting like it was him that made a society so bad

@rey no, but you certainly do imply that just because he’s the victim he should not be hated. if you didn’t, it was a mistake on your part for construing it wrong. that’s quite literally the same as justifying what he does, “because you cannot understand why people hate him.” did he do something terrible? yes. did he do something so vile? again yes. was there any effort on his part to mend things back the way it was or to clear sth up? no, he always ran away from the problems and never tried to solve their issues. Sasya went above and beyond everything they’ve done with other people to achieve whatever by whatever means that he felt previously disgusted by doing it with someone that actually loved him. he’s doing all that disgusting shit for years while not even having a clear objective for why he’s doing what he’s doing. it’s clearly hypocritical, selfish, beyond the point of shame, 2nd hand embarrassment and unnerving when he wants Karel back after all he’s given him in return for abandonment. he was never grateful for being saved from torture. the audacity to ask what’s wrong with Sasya? many things. just because he came around after realizing that karel is alive doesn’t make him any better. sure there are many things yet to unfold, but for so far—you cannot excuse what Sasya did towards Karel.

@rey again. nobody deserves to be mistreated. but quite literally he mistreated someone who spent a fortune to find a stranger no less + served in prison FOR him. lets not forget that. this is what you call dismissive behavior in favor of promoting toxic positivity. don’t fill in context you don’t know anything about.

it’s kind of funny; “the lack of regard and consideration for another’s feelings is violence.“ in itself doesn’t make sense, feelings aren’t physical and will never constitute as an act of violence. it’s quite the contradictory statement from a hypocrite. but let’s see if there’s a redemption arc enough to cleanse him from what he has done.

Yeah and what’s funny to is how people are hellbent on trying to make him the sole villain in this whole story. Lol everyone is looking the other way when it comes to Karel possessive love, they think it’s cute and justifiable but not some of Sasha’s actions. The whole story so far we’ve legit only seen mainly Karen’s pov, we don’t even know why he never got the letters from Sasya but nooo we have to hate Sasya right? Please

When has he sold himself? Coz so far how he got where he is it’s because of his hard work abd that was also stated in the story. We only saw parts when he started to entertain that old man because his boss was forcing him to in the name of keeping the theatre going and his career but is funny because clearly you’re the one whose compassion is one dimensional

Just because something isn’t physical doesn’t mean there’s no violence. Violence can be introduced in a plethora of forms. Ever heard of emotional/psychological/economical/etc abuse? There is so many ways you can hurt a person without having to get physical. Here’s one, controlling a person’s life is a form of abuse. Karel may have been on the lesser side of this (the controlling part) but so far from what we’ve seen in the story, he very much got to dictate Sasya’s life from the moment they met. Going so far as proclaiming in every instance they were together that Sasya may never leave him, which is imprisonment. And don’t say that never happened because he literally went through lengths to get him back both of the times Sasya left. Sasya didn’t ask for any of it except to get further away from Russia because he had no choice at that point. Also, you’re seriously getting mad at someone who basically and quite literally got forced to love someone?? I’m not saying everything Sasya did was great because it wasn’t. But to despise him so much for the very one sided story we’ve gotten so far and misunderstanding the bits of information surrounding this story (like how you said he sold himself for years when in multiple occasions, from various people at that(the director of the ballet company, the one ballerina and the socialites who were present when Sasha and Karel met again), the story let’s us know Sasya never did anything more than chat with the socialites until that old piece of shit and it was literally only once. You can’t count the sexual assault as him selling himself) just means you’re not really looking at this story objectively. I can’t blame you for that because it’s what makes great storytelling, introducing the different point of views. But that’s why you shouldn’t rush to form biased opinions yet, because we didn’t get to see the full picture yet. We got to see Karel’s pov, now we’re finally seeing how it really was from Sasya’s pov and tbh so far it looks like he genuinely got to care for Karel but things became far more complicated than we thought

It’s funny how you say “don’t fill in context you don't know anything about” when that’s literally what you’re doing. Sit back, let the story unfold and stop assuming you know all of the context when we’ve literally only got Karel’s one sided pov this whole time. PS, I really think you’ve gotta take a step back and realize you’re promoting toxic positivity yourself. Karel’s love, as endearing as it looks at times is actually really toxic, to the point that he decided to go to prison, and consequently to war, for himself, not for Sasya. Firstly, because he knew Sasya would not survive had he gotten caught for the crime which would mean no more Sasya and secondly, to not be away too long from Sasya.

Don’t confuse the names, it’s Sasya, not Sasha. The whole thing was about why people are hating on Sasya. Also, why can’t we hate a character? The author made it that way. The hate is justified, you don’t get it? An empty husk asking someone to fill its void when all it did was bring harm its way, like a dog biting his owner. Just because you are being abused, mistreated and manipulated doesn’t mean you can and should inflict the exact same thing to someone who has done nothing to you. Get the difference right, I NEVER painted Sasya as the villain. Receiving hate doesn’t correlate to something being or becoming villainous. Those were your exact words YOU put in people’s mouth.

To lead Karel on and make him invest into him for what? Also quite literally made him abandon his brother—his only connection and indirectly caused a fatal blow to the reputable House Ludwig. I’m not projecting, it’s quite literally 1+1 and isn’t hard to proximate the causal links. Also I’m not even talking Karel’s possessiveness and I have never justified his actions—he’s a total stupid idiot. We’re talking about the heat Sasya’s getting, remember? Besides, have you seen the other way around or are you turning a blind eye like how Karel irrationally got blindsided by his “first love?” Don’t forget, Sasya WAS also being passively obsessively possessive. Did you forget that or what was the exact logic behind for bringing in Karel’s possessiveness? Sasya was being opportunistic, calculative and selfishly reached what he could reach only to be “hurt” in the end. It shows that despite being portrayed as “unstable and irrational” that his brain is working, or perhaps only when it concerns his survivability? No. It doesn’t work like that.

Yes, we don’t know what happened to the letters. BUT it doesn’t diminish what he has done. Are letters the only way to contact prisoners? Was there really no way of telling from the letters he received that none of them were answered for the past years? It’s quite common sense at this point that things could’ve gone differently if he even questioned and grew observant during those years. That’s if, he really cared. But get this, even WITHOUT this letter problem, it doesn’t justify nor solve anything. It’s only PART of the problem.

We have not only seen Karel’s pov, just not enough yet. However, that “atonement” of Sasya only goes to show that he has some sense of guilt that’s haunting him back for not giving more than for what he owed. It’s coping and not even gaslighting at this point; you believing is the voluntary act of accepting to be manipulated.

Now you’re looking into the depths of what could be applicable. Generally, when physically talking about violence to another, it holds relative to any physical force exercised causing in some way or form destruction onto something. Though, in any case, I have no problem conceding to that there are definitely other things that could’ve been interpreted under violence where such things could fall under.

I am not angry or mad at Sasya to set the record straight. I just can’t fathom how people don’t or are unable to understand why the hate for Sasya isn’t justified. The story had not been one-sided, have you read the story to date? That’s quite literally the author’s intention to portray him despicable. Humor me and tell me the reason for why we cannot hate characters? There’s plenty of cases when people tell others to know that there are two sides to the story, but really they never listen to their own advice.

Anyways, I never mentioned anything much about the bad things of Karel, so you may think I don’t understand or am blindsided by the things Karel has done. But I’m well aware that he’s at the point of no return of being controlling, obsessive, possessively irrational and delusional. But you have to understand that that seed wasn’t sown yet, until Sasya led him on “to never blow the fire out” and to keep it ignited. YOU have decided to look at what happened AFTERWARDS and either feigned ignorance to the premise or overlooked the importance of what manipulation does to people. With this I’m not saying that what Karel has done afterwards is “justified”—but again that’s not the point of what I’m trying to say and if you misinterpret it that’s on you—and this literally follows from a chain reaction of cause and effect. This is rather a tale of how Karel fell prey first to Sasya and Sasya not knowing he picked the wrong fight.

Point is, you DON’T repay someone with your body when you damningly KNOW that that person whom you don’t even like-like, likes you a whole obsessive lot. WHILE knowing that he doesn’t love Karel or actually felt any attraction whatsoever for him. He may be “your savior” but in what world does that mean you should be doing that. That’s not right, that’s beyond borderline messed up. And right after deciding that he “returned the favor by paying with his body,” he felt used and gave him the cold shoulder. It demonstrates a very illogical sequence of pattern thinking. Because remember that he refused to be the grand duke’s paramour, who exercises a lot of influence, but he didn’t even went to that extent? So, why is he doing all of this to Karel? Is Sasya afraid that Karel will hurt him while he has time and time again proven that he had never been physically violent with Sasya? Sure, it’s hard to build a trusty relationship—but that’s all the more reason why you shouldn’t play with people and dip your toes in something that has previously shown him nothing, but plenty times of pain, no? The logical sequence is that traumatic people learn from their traumatic, negatively imparted experiences. Which only applied to the only situation when Sasya was on the run from the grand duke. But how does that make sense when the rest doesn’t? Though, really, why poke your nose into something where it doesn’t belong? 

I mentioned that he has been selling his body. It was my bad to have said “for years” however around the chapters 20-21. It’s relatively unclear how he achieved glory in just a mere 9 months time. But it was implicitly expressed that he has committed sodomy to get where he is now. It’s not hard to deduce which of the options he did and didn’t do, after all it was given that it was partially right—of which two relate to one thing—kissing up to socialites’ asses to get their favors. I really don’t think it’s only my impression, but Sasya seems to have experience bedding nobles for his favor. A favor in such pretext never happens once, that’s really wishful innocent thinking; especially when mentioned that the people of arts are basically prostitutes to the nobles. You can’t deny that.

Just because I haven’t shared my thoughts on Karel doesn’t mean I’m promoting toxic positivity nor am I to your dismay delusional enough to think that all Karel has done is cute and adorable. Now that I have done that, take a greater look at yourself with your toxic positivity protecting the “victim” of the story; doing all sorts of questionable things without a clear objective.

Sure, you might argue that we don’t know the full robber-to-murder story; however, there’s enough nuance from both Karel’s expression and Sasya’s guilt that he did take the fall for Sasya. Besides that, I haven’t filled in any of the contexts; I only restated what has been stated and questioned those dubious scenarios. The irony is that you cannot differentiate that I only raised questions that should’ve been logical during that moment.

Chances are only given to those who truly deserve it; for story’s sake we’ll have to see the prowess of Sasya’s redemption and whether that really can reverse the irreversible. But really, you can’t undo mistakes that have taken years from someone else’s life and happiness and expect that repenting is sufficient.

Oh yeah—another thing. Sasya lost all my sympathy the moment, like said, tried to seduce Karel for his own gains and finds himself at the mercy of none other than the result from his own actions. That is the very moment he soberly threw away his victimhood and remember this was the beginning of everything. While remembering his mother’s last wishes to be wary of kindness, he did the exact opposite and extorted as much as he could from his so-called then “savior.” That’s not how you show kindness in return. At the end of the day, most of it is Sasya to blame; to say that the missing details or resulting misunderstandings from not communicating properly is really not sufficient to eradicate what all led to this point. All by all, construes an objective opinion in my opinion—but if you insist on feigning ignorance to how such small detail could’ve escalated to this; that’s your biased perspective for neglecting a major based factor.

For so far, I still can’t really say that Sasya got to care for Karel. Now and then, he drinks alcohol and lays in bed; there’s no difference. But let’s see what the story tells.

Lol girl I think you’re responding to the wrong person haha

Or not haha, I thought you were responding to me.

I’m not reading none of that. I’m just gonna say I stand on my opinion and I’m not wrong. I don’t care what you think about him, him running away have having problems or whatever the fuck you said. He doesn’t deserve it.

Lollllll you’re doing so much just to make him seem like the bad guy, acting like it was him that did that personally and told that person to do that. You’re directing all the blame it on your hatred onto one person and that’s very unfair. stop trying to make the story fit your narrative when it doesn’t.

Literallyyyyy. Like bitches are really writing paragraphs, of why they think he’s the villain like