YOU ALL DONT DESERVE INES.

Her goal was just to stay alive and die naturally bc she's only regressing from the suicides. Ines knows that so she's trying to live a life where she won't have to suffer to commit suicide again. She is a noble and she acts like one so she wouldn't want to live a life as a nun. Even when she live with the painter, she didn't do anything bc she doesn't know how to and didn't learn to. She was spoiled and continue to remain that way. She got an expensive lifestyle and she always needs servants. She can't live alone. Ofc that's knowing herself bc if she rly has decent mindset not to hurt anyone, she would've let herself be a nun and learn that lifestyle but Ines knows herself well. She likes material things and she likes to order ppl around and she likes to use ppl.

just to give more insight, but why does she have to condemn herself to a life of prayer and servitude in order to survive in peace? y’all saw how terrible her life was when she lived as a commoner before with em, for four years, so she does have practical skills and doesn’t need servants nor material things

the thing about being a nun is that it’s a lifestyle for people who are fully devoted to their religion and believe their calling is with god… not once has she ever stated being strongly religious. imo she doesn’t need to go to the extreme and live the rest of her life regretfully, while also depriving herself of the comfort she knows. carcel literally didn’t show interest in her for over a decade until she caught him cheating in 4k; and then he suddenly became clingy/devoted after she told him she didn’t care. for her plan, carcel was the safest option because she thought his infidelity would come in handy to make the separation clean and she wouldn’t be punished or blamed for the divorce

Wow. You don’t know anything about Ines. I don’t blame you because the manhwa is doing a shitty job. Ines has practical skills? Where? Ines does not know how to do a damn thing. She sewed a handkerchief for Carcel and even that was barely up to par. The painter did everything for Ines. I don’t know how to do a damn thing. Even in this timeline, it’s Carcel who acts like her maid if they’re without servants. She doesn’t know how to cook, barely knows how to sew, probably never held a broom in her life, or knows how to clean. In every life somebody served her. Ines is thoroughly an aristocratic woman. She’s even more noble than Carcel who acts like a military man, knows how to cook, knows how to clean, knows how to live simply and knows how survive by himself.

As to religion, you don’t know anything about Ines. Nobody prayed more than her in another timeline. Sick like a dog with illness ravaging her body, she prayed for hours each day because she trusted in god. Ines knows when to seek god and her entire goal in this lifetimes was to live to die. If she was so desperate, nunnery is the best option to live one’s life in peace and wait for death. There is no excuse for her to use Carcel. It’s even worse that Carcel risk his life and his family’s life to help her and her people in the previous timeline and then she repays him by choosing him at the innocent age of 6 to use him and dump him. I know many of you all think it’s right for her to do it but if she’s so right she should not have a problem living with that secret. Let’s see if she’ll eventually confess the truth to him and cries because she knows it was wrong to do it. At least it shows she still has a conscience. Carcel always quick to admit he was wrong but some people don’t know how to admit their wrong and apologize. Let’s see if she’s that kind of person.

Another funny thing is talking about Ines not needing material things. What a joke. Didn’t you read the shopkeeper in the jewelry shop say the material of her black dress is high quality? If she’s not materialistic, she could choose less quality fabric because she has that choice. Also, Ines is so materialistic that when she chooses her tomb, she wants a big extravagant to,b to be buried in, please don’t tell me she’s not a materialistic person. She’ll even become a fashion trendsetter again in Mendoza when she’s already one in Calztela.

wow. okay no need to be so aggressive when we view her differently. it just seems like you came to rough conclusions and made her out to be an awful, selfish person. saying i don’t know anything about her was rude as hell for no reason lmao my original comment was so neutral? it doesn’t seem like u do this but i reread a manhwa multiple times to double check that what i say isn’t misinformation! from the way u describe her, you see her so negatively- rather than a victim of her circumstances and also make carcel out to be this selfless innocent lover who was betrayed when this isn’t the case at all

do you think in all the time she spent with emilano she didn’t pick up any life skills? like bffr. she was trained and raised as a spoiled aristocrat and they emphasis this fact so much but you do realize during the four years she ran away she had none of those, servants or luxuries, and had to adapt to a poor commoner lifestyle? her being bad at sewing doesn’t = have no other life skill lmao. i would understand if u addressed how she would undermine the cost of jewelry she sold, in her past life, but beyond that she HAD to gain practical skills to survive in her circumstances. you make it seem as if she’s this helpless child that can’t do a single thing, when she did have outside life experience apart from growing up pampered

and i didn’t say she wasn’t religious, i said she wasn’t STRONGLY faithful enough to live her life as a nun. you keep missing my point and then coming at me with that know-it-all behavior and it makes you look weird and mean. you make it seem as if nunnery was her only option and it would’ve been easier for her to do so. do you understand how difficult and disciplined you must be, in order to become/stay a nun? she’s lived on both ends of the spectrum being extremely rich and also in extreme poverty- how is it a bad thing that she wants to live a life of comfort for the rest of her days. carcel was an easy option because he was the most reliable. she didn’t think he would fall for her after he’s been flirting and/or hooking up with other women since he was a teenager. it was a no brainer for her and she still has attachments to worldly things so she still wants to take part in noble society but have her own independence- which can only be achieved through being widowed/divorced. i think u are also forgetting she HAS to get married or it’ll reflect badly on her family and her reputation (something that she’s heavily wanting to avoid)

the whole point of the cheating and divorce scheme is that she doesn’t bring shame upon her family, isn’t outcasted by society, and is allowed to have her own assets. carcel being used is not as bad as u make it sound, as the engagement was literally only a label for them (mainly her) and didn’t restrict him in any way. bro was not oppressed or traumatized idk what to tell you? sure it inconvenienced him as a kid but she never controlled, blackmailed, or hurt him. being dumped is not the worst thing that can happen to a person so let’s start there. her divorcing him was meant to benefit him as he can gain a title- something he wasn’t able to do as an unmarried man in the second life. this was her way of repaying carcel’s kindness- giving him a marriage, having his children, providing for his household, boosting his reputation, etc… those are such thoughtful gifts from a person who’s last two marriages left them scarred and hopeless

my god can u not read?? WHERE DID I SAY SHE WASNT MATERIALISTIC. i stated when she was a commoner she didn’t need servants or material things to SURVIVE!!! read the context dude im begging you. in the following paragraph i follow up with how she doesn’t have to deprave herself of the comfort she knows (which includes material things!!) to explain that becoming a nun wasn’t a good option for her because she deserves to have those luxuries and not live a frugal rest of her life. the joke just writes itself atp why do u keep finding a reason to argue with me when it’s literally u misunderstanding my takes. do better

I just love the way you justify her using an innocent kid and judging him for her own selfish reasons. I can see there’s no way that you think she’s wrong for doing this so obviously Ines is never wrong in your eyes. Let’s hope now that her plan is blown she has enough sense to quit since the jig is up and choose another man to use for her plan. She just have to dump Carcel good and proper so that he get the point.

You might have re-read the manhwa but manhwa doesn’t have everything, Ines said the painter treated her like the princess of a poor country. He crawled on his hands and feet to do everything for her. Ines does not have any practical skills. None. The only thing she has ever done is sew and that isn’t even up to par. In this life, even worst. If she spent four years poor as dirt, why can’t she even sew properly? She never cooked either. I reiterate, she’s never cleaned either. The man did all that for her because he knows she’s a noblewoman. They were not equal in any way. He always called her Lady Inés and treated her that way. It was a upward relationship just like her relationship with Oscar was a downward one. Oscar was higher than her and treated her that way and the painter was lower than her and treated her that way. The only person she’s equal with is Carcel like she condescendingly to,d the butler three chapters ago.

It's always an option, you know? If she wants to be at peace and to not suffer again, she can go to the nunnery? Her mother did, why can't she?

lmao weirdo

“using an innocent kid” all they did was get an engagement. she didn’t manipulate him in any way beyond that nor make his life a living hell. he was literally a free person?? there’s so many other reincarnation manhwa that use marriage/divorce, when they were kids, as a way to survive. how is she any different from them? carcel’s life wasn’t difficult because of it, so yea she’s not in the wrong bud for trying to live an easy life

also? like i said before if the manhwa is different from the novel of course readers are gonna have different experiences or knowledge. saying “oh manhwa doesn’t have anything!!” to prove me wrong is funny because the webtoon clearly didn’t have the aspects you talked about and it’s always subject to change with little details. im making assumptions based on what the manhwa showed us and it’s such a cop out for u to be like w-well actually novel has this

Both the manhwa and novel give us Ines’ backstory to help us understand her not justify her. Even she admits many times in the manhwa itself that she’s in the wrong. In one of the previous chapters she even said “I feel bad that you met me” now that she realizes he’s a pretty decent and nice dude. She says many times in the manhwa that he deserves better than her as well. The novel is more detailed sure, but both are conveying the same thing. It’s just more subtle in the manhwa, but that doesn’t mean it’s not there.

Why would Ines express guilt and state in her thoughts and to him that he deserves better if she’s not at fault? Even Ines knows no matter what she’s been through it’s fucked up that she got an innocent 6 year old involved in this mess indirectly. The more she gets to know him the more she feels bad. Idk why you’re trying to paint her in an innocent light when she herself is acknowledging that she was wrong for that.

In season 1 she states that based on how he was in her previous lives she knows he likes the military and because of that never wanted to get married and get involved with the royal family. Her forcing him to marry her in this life fucked all of that up. She even says she’ll make up for fucking up his life by getting him a better wife. This is all stated numerous times in the manhwa if you would reread it.

It’s also disingenuous to say he’s not hurt when in season 1 we could see how she treated him in the flashbacks. She forces him into marriage and then according to carcel she never attended events together with him so he always had to attend alone. She would say she liked him but acted like he didn’t exist and treated him coldly to the point where he got so desperate for attention from his fiancé who claimed to like him that he resorted to cheating. Now he’s also in this weird space where he feels guilty for cheating but he’s also aware that for whatever reason it seems he’s wife wants him to cheat. Of course it’s nothing compared to what she’s been through, but considering he had nothing to do with her trauma and that was all the crown prince’s fault it’s safe to say that carcel doesn’t need to compare his trauma to Ines to be hurt. Even if it’s not as painful or sad as hers he deserves to not go though that because he never did anything to hurt her in her previous lives in the first place.

where am i painting her as innocent or that she doesn’t feel guilty in any way? whole time, im stating that she has reason to follow through with her plans and didn’t do them purely out of good faith. i made my statement to say she’s a complex character that people like you boil her down to “she fucked up his life” when it was only an engagement in name? and you are forgetting the reason why she didn’t attend those events with him was mainly because she was ill the entire time, and carcel even feels guilty for holding that against her

and this is just personal opinion but her choosing to marry him as a kid not the worst thing that can happen to a him. i wouldn’t say he’s hurt because of it, it’s that he didn’t get attention and his ego/feelings of rejection “pushed” him to cheat. im not excusing either of their actions but acknowledging that she planned this in her best interest and carcels, because she thought he’d take no interest in her. that’s the only reason why he was chosen, because she believed he would not care for her but also stick to being a womanizer. so it’s disingenuous to say she fucked up his life or ruined it when he’s always been able to get his military achievements or have completely freedom; and the marriage would’ve helped him earn a title that he deserved, but couldn’t get, since he was unmarried in his last life

I mean I guess we could agree to disagree since as you stated it’s your opinion and this is mine. So I won’t press you regarding that topic.

However, there are a couple of things that you mentioned that are incorrect. You stated that the marriage does not affect his military achievements and in fact benefits him more since he can gain a better title. But in season 1 Ines herself stated that in the previous lives, while carcel would still have to come back and do his duty anyway, him not being married gave him the freedom away from it for longer. But in this life, due to being forced to marry her, the amount of time he has that “freedom” from his duties is significantly decreased. Additionally, Ines mentioned since carcels grandfather was already very well known in the military for his achievements, carcel doesn’t need any help to gain favors. Ines stated if carcel wanted he could use that to his advantage to go higher. Carcel wouldnt get any title he couldn’t achieve by himself. He doesn’t need to get married for it. He always wanted to be away from royal affairs so why would getting a title help him when it’s the opposite of what he wants?

Once again, I am not trying to argue against your opinion, I was just correcting your statement about the marriage benefiting him. Because according to Ines it doesnt align with any of the desires carcel has in previous lives. It’s one thing to argue that Ines is not in the wrong, but it’s another thing to act like Ines helped carcel and that him being a pawn benefited him when it obviously didn’t .

He does show interest in her for a decade. He kept trying to get close to her for a decade. It was after the decade of no interest from her that he slept around and that's when he stopped showing interest.

She does need servants to survive. When she was living as a commoner, the painter did everything for her. She has no practical skills.

His life was different from her forced engagement. In the other lifetimes when he wasn't forced to be engaged, he never married. She forced him into an engagement while also playing with his head. Lying to him that she loves him while also keep turning him away. Lovebomb him from afar while also giving him no interest when he's closeby. These are things the manhwa does show but ppl don't remember reading it. Later it does reveal more that her forcing him into an engagement also put him in danger with the prince who kept wanting to marry her.

Thank you. Carcel nvr cared about the noble life. He only cares about being a navy man and he doesn't need to marry for that. He's good at his job and got high rank from his own skills. Marrying Ines only makes him the duke's successor so now he's set to be the next duke which he nvr even wanted.

i mean that ines herself didn’t see him show romantic interest. ofc he wanted to know her as a person since they were getting married and had a crush, but from ines perspective it didn’t look like he was trying to be anything more, which was the point. he has a different view on their relationship, in that he put in effort to know her, but she wasn’t aware of that. it wasn’t until he settled down in their marriage that she viewed him and his actions differently

i can’t remember which chapter it was, but in one of the earlier ones it states that he deserved a specific title due to his achievements however because he was unmarried he couldn’t obtain it. i know his family is already powerful and established, but she believed that by giving him the marriage (in accordance to the title from his efforts) it would be a gift from her to him- for what he did in his past life helping her and emanilio. so i wouldn’t say that’s the opposite of what he wants since it’s only a label that would bring him honor? not really that the title itself would force him into participating in nobel duties he doesn’t want to take part of. so rather than correcting there’s also some info u are forgetting as well, because the marriage did benefit him in this way. and she wasn’t trying to dimish his duties by marrying him, because by having his child/divorcing him he’d not only have a child to carry his legacy but could further advance his career and play around like he used to (even though we know now the cheating was only out of spite)

You're thinking as if he wasn't trying to be anything more. She knows he was trying to be more but didn't want it so she kept turning him away. Her plan had always been to make him cheat to divorce him. She had always been aware of it. She just didn't want it but still string him along bc she needs to marry him for her plan to work.

The only title he will obtain from marrying her is the dukedom which he doesn't want. She just thinks it's helpful to give him an heir because he doesn't want the duke title so if she gives him a child, he can just let their child be the nxt duke and he can skip being duke. She's talking in the assumption that he would've gotten the title anyway bc he's the oldest son but Carcel nvr wanted the title. He nvr married in his past life bc he didn't care for the title. He always tried to wait for Miguel to get older to take the title instead. This is not honor from the navy which he cares for bc he alrdy has honor from the navy just from being good at his job.