SPOILER! DON'T PITY THOSE BASTARDS CUZ THEY WERE UNDER A LOVE POTION! THEY ARE THE WOR...

Then I equally don't feel pity for women who get SA for being under the influence of drugs and alcohol. According to your logic apparently, it doesn't matter if they're not in their right mind (like these men) they chose to get high so it's their own damn fault for being victimized. I hate these double standards of victim-blaming.

If the gender roles were reversed, the four girls would be seen as victims of a sexual predator and MC would be seen as an AH for not realizing this. And This is coming from a girl.

This is not even close to the same argument. Alcohol and drugs are completely different than love potions. Love potions, in the case of the saintess, make the men reveal there true colors and become obsessed with it. The love potions intensify desires, requiring the consumer to harbor some feelings for them to take effect. The star maiden must cultivate positive emotions for the potions to be effective.

These potions reveal the deepest desires of the consumer. For instance, the prince, initially repulsed by the saintess, undergoes a transformation. His long-concealed jealousy for Emi surfaces, leading him to use the saintess as a means to make Emi jealous. Similar patterns unfold for other male characters, with the adopted brother harboring secret forbidden feelings for Emi, orchestrating events to manipulate her relationships. Yes, they were manipulated by having their emotions strengthened by the potions, but they wouldn't be affected if they stop to think or realize they shouldn't have these feelings.

Alcohol and drugs just lower a person's inhibitions and distort their senses. They do NOT make them fall deeply in love with anyone. The men in the saintess were not victims of a sexual predator, they merely harbored secret desires and acted upon them because of the potion as and wouldn't had been affected if they just use their brain. And This is coming from a girl.

Who doesn't harbor secret desires what's your point? I'm not against punishing them just not to the point of taking their lives.

Who doesn't harbor deep desires, resentment, and jealousy?

So in other words they were in control of keeping their desires and negative emotions in check making sure those feelings never see the light of day, like normal human beings. Until the magic potion makes them lose those filters and they lose control of themselves.

Yeah, I still think they're victims. It's not like they have a therapist to deal with it in a healthy way. You're asking too much from a bunch of teenagers who don't know how to deal with their hormones much their emotions

I mean the ex-fiancé himself thought those senses of jealousy went away over time, only for it to come back in full force with an obsession because of the potion. I mean he thought they were gone.

It looks like anyone who harbors desires, jealousy, and resentment of any degree will be affected in full force. Unless you're a Saint there is no winning against this potion if that is the case.

let me spell it out for you. the men who took the love potions are responsible for their OWN actions. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTION. IF THEY HADNT HARBORED THESE DESIRES TO RUIN REMILIA. Let me say it again If these men hadn't harbored these desires initially, the potions would have been useless. They would not fallen deeply in love with the saintess if they were not attracted to her at all.

That is why when the star maiden tried to use the love potions on the demon king or the ml, none of her usual tactics worked. Because he never developed any good feelings for her and he only loved Remilia for being her. It failed as he knew he desired no one else but Remilia and wasn't gonna bring her down. He wasn't jealousy and he didn't have a grudge against her.

Do you want me to explain my point again??

Yes, they are victims of the potion in the sense that it intensified their desires and emotions. I agree with that. Let me repeat what I say again "Yes, they were manipulated by having their emotions strengthened by the potions, but they wouldn't be affected if they stop to think or realize they shouldn't have these feelings." Again let me repeat what I say "Yes, they were manipulated by having their emotions strengthened by the potions, but they wouldn't be affected if they stop to think or realize they shouldn't have these feelings."

I know what you meant. But they are responsible for their actions because they harbored these desires and emotions in the first place, even if they were dormant. The potion wouldn't make them fall in love with the madien if they just realized they shouldnt be acting this way. These feelings were always there inside of them. This is why they were victims of the potion, they were also responsible for their own actions to an extent.

Yeah I get it they should be punished to some degree

Well, the potion made the hidden thoughts and desires stronger.
But it did not erase or clould their thinking ability. It did not control their decisions. It did not erase logic and memory. Doesn't make one irrational.
Their lack of regret and satisfaction at seing a friend who gave so much to them also shows they barely thought twice over it.
Even so, saying they are a victim is not wrong. But they are also the perpetrators.
Up until now I haven't seen revenge, only consequences.
If you rape and murder and rob under influence, these are still crimes. There are still victims.

But they didn't commit those kinds of crimes now, did they? Look I'm not against punishing them just not to the point of taking their lives.

On the fist comment you made about SA of people under influence of alcohol and drugs. But the parallel wold be more of assaulting someone under the influence.
Just because the are victims doesn't mean they aren't the perpetrators.
Would they act the same without the potions influence? Or without the external "suport" of public opinion enabling them?
Who knows.
But up until now I saw no punishment. Only consequences. No murder, no hurting, no persecution, no fine, no locking up. They are only feeling the results of their actions. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

That's fine by me I have no problem with them suffering the consequences of their own action. I just thought Remelia was planning on killing them or something.

you’re actually fucking stupid. “and this is coming from a girl” okayy internalised misogyny mind you the so called “brainwashed” men aren’t even brainwashed cus the potion could only invoke feelings of affection, those fuckers hated emi from the very start and they all knew what they were doing. your statement of “not feeling bad for sa victims for being under influence of drugs and alcohol” is incredibly insulting and victim blaming because yes. blame a woman for getting r4ped because she decided to drink alcohol.

Whatever, I really don't care anymore