I'm not particularly fond of this chapter. Surely he should have handed better but y'all r...

BETHOVEN January 6, 2024 5:28 am

I'm not particularly fond of this chapter. Surely he should have handed better but y'all read stuff like jinx bj Alex, painter of the night , etc and I see no morality discussion .

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    opulentswan January 6, 2024 6:12 am

    Reading those doesn’t mean we approve of that behavior though?

    Midnight January 6, 2024 6:30 am

    How is reading tolerating.. You look lile you act like as if Letting them force you is Consent and saying yes-

    Hoshi January 6, 2024 8:02 am

    I've seen a lot of comments condemning noncon relationship or "morality discussion" on those manhwas that you named too. And that aside what kinda logic is that?! Just because people love those stories doesn't mean they should approve of noncon in other stories or in general.

    BETHOVEN January 6, 2024 5:03 pm
    Reading those doesn’t mean we approve of that behavior though? opulentswan

    Quote where I said so. I just said I see no morality discussion, my first statement is literally saying I don't agree with the way it was handled but me personally I don't find it rape, the line is really superfluous when the other act continues the process

    BETHOVEN January 6, 2024 5:06 pm
    How is reading tolerating.. You look lile you act like as if Letting them force you is Consent and saying yes- Midnight

    I dont recall my comment saying so. I made it clear that I thought the way it was handled was not appropriate but at the same time the limit between rape or not here is superfluous. Now take it as you want it

    BETHOVEN January 6, 2024 5:09 pm
    I've seen a lot of comments condemning noncon relationship or "morality discussion" on those manhwas that you named too. And that aside what kinda logic is that?! Just because people love those stories doesn't ... Hoshi

    Where did I stated so. Personally I see no condemnation towards in those types of mangas, I would even risk myself to say people enjoy those type of plots and that's why they are extremely popular and common. For the third time, I don't consider this rape , especially when the other party continued . The line is superfluous here. You take it as you want it. My comment was just regarding hypocrisy. If you don't belong to the group or you criticise those type of mangas then don't include yourself. No need to reply back

    Midnight January 7, 2024 1:25 am
    Where did I stated so. Personally I see no condemnation towards in those types of mangas, I would even risk myself to say people enjoy those type of plots and that's why they are extremely popular and common. ... BETHOVEN

    Alright maybe R4p3 is a rush and harsh thing to call it, But he is taking advantage of Woowon and that is not something you can debate. Woowon clearly said stop, no matter what reason why he said so NO IS NO.
    Just because they are in love doesn't mean they can't take advantage on one another, Your loved ones can easily hurt you, They can literally do anything at any moment.
    And again just because Woowon is saying stop for Seo-an's sake doesn't mean he's giving him consent to keep going or that he wants to it at this instant, NO MEANS NO. No matter what reason why you said no, NO IS STILL NO.

    opulentswan January 7, 2024 1:46 am
    Alright maybe R4p3 is a rush and harsh thing to call it, But he is taking advantage of Woowon and that is not something you can debate. Woowon clearly said stop, no matter what reason why he said so NO IS NO.Ju... Midnight

    Honestly. And them saying people enjoy that kind of plot doesn’t mean it’s okay. If at all a part of you even likes non consensual sex (I.e. rape) then you need immense help.

    Hoshi January 7, 2024 5:05 am
    Honestly. And them saying people enjoy that kind of plot doesn’t mean it’s okay. If at all a part of you even likes non consensual sex (I.e. rape) then you need immense help. opulentswan

    Now that's going too far. Yaoi is a genre for adults and adults often can distinguish between fiction and reality. A lot of people might enjoy r@p3 trope in yaoi because it gives them a sense of pleasure through guilt and that's perfectly normal, though we sympathize with the characters we also know that nobody actually get hurt. There is a difference between genre-driven r@p3 and r@p3 as a crime in society.

    opulentswan January 7, 2024 5:50 am
    Now that's going too far. Yaoi is a genre for adults and adults often can distinguish between fiction and reality. A lot of people might enjoy r@p3 trope in yaoi because it gives them a sense of pleasure throug... Hoshi

    Still stand by what I said. Take is always disgusting and if it makes you feel good, seek help. Have a nice day!

    opulentswan January 7, 2024 5:51 am
    Now that's going too far. Yaoi is a genre for adults and adults often can distinguish between fiction and reality. A lot of people might enjoy r@p3 trope in yaoi because it gives them a sense of pleasure throug... Hoshi

    Still stand by what I said. Rape is always disgusting regardless of context and if it makes you feel good, seek help. Have a nice day!

    Midnight January 7, 2024 2:04 pm
    Now that's going too far. Yaoi is a genre for adults and adults often can distinguish between fiction and reality. A lot of people might enjoy r@p3 trope in yaoi because it gives them a sense of pleasure throug... Hoshi

    I absolutely have NO IDEA How someone can think in such a way.. I AM IMMENSELY SORRY But- Plesse.. Just- God help.

    BETHOVEN January 7, 2024 2:27 pm
    Alright maybe R4p3 is a rush and harsh thing to call it, But he is taking advantage of Woowon and that is not something you can debate. Woowon clearly said stop, no matter what reason why he said so NO IS NO.Ju... Midnight

    So would you say woowon took advantage of seo an previous chapters ago when SEO an clearly stated that he didn't want him eating his ass but he didn't stop? Again cause he didn't want to harm him ? Just curious, because based on your arguments that could be considered rape or sexual assault but it clearly isn't , so where do you draw the line

    BETHOVEN January 7, 2024 2:31 pm
    Now that's going too far. Yaoi is a genre for adults and adults often can distinguish between fiction and reality. A lot of people might enjoy r@p3 trope in yaoi because it gives them a sense of pleasure throug... Hoshi

    One think is writers including rape for whatever purpose they want in their story and another different one is enjoying those scenes. Like how can you even feel excitement from seeing others being sexually taken advantage offrom others

    Midnight January 7, 2024 2:33 pm
    So would you say woowon took advantage of seo an previous chapters ago when SEO an clearly stated that he didn't want him eating his ass but he didn't stop? Again cause he didn't want to harm him ? Just curious... BETHOVEN

    Which part are you? Will you tell me the exact chapter? Because I have a hunch you don't understand what I said. Are you talking aboit their first time? Where Seo-an said that Woowon shouldn't take top since it will be uncomfortable.. Or what? TELL ME. So that can't explain to you.

    Midnight January 7, 2024 2:34 pm
    One think is writers including rape for whatever purpose they want in their story and another different one is enjoying those scenes. Like how can you even feel excitement from seeing others being sexually take... BETHOVEN

    I meant, Tell me.. So I can explain to you.

    BETHOVEN January 7, 2024 2:39 pm
    Which part are you? Will you tell me the exact chapter? Because I have a hunch you don't understand what I said. Are you talking aboit their first time? Where Seo-an said that Woowon shouldn't take top since it... Midnight

    First of all making it clear that I'm not against your opinion cause your reply seems a bit high tone , or maybe that's just me misinterpreting. I only differ in the fact that I wouldn't call this rape or sexual assault, though Iam still not fond of his actions , specially when next chapter wonwo does initiate several sexual intercourses once he grabs a lube , making it clear he just wanted seoan to be safe. That being said the chapter I'm referencing is chapter 53. You can see seon an clearly stating that wonwoo should stop eating his ass and how he found it uncomfortable

    BETHOVEN January 7, 2024 2:46 pm
    Which part are you? Will you tell me the exact chapter? Because I have a hunch you don't understand what I said. Are you talking aboit their first time? Where Seo-an said that Woowon shouldn't take top since it... Midnight

    As far as my understanding goes and what I understood, rape is non consensual penetration but it's as well a form of sexual assault. So of course the example I set wouldn't be rape but would you say wonwoo sexually assaulted seo an ? The situation matches sexual assault definition and the only difference, aside from the penetration of course, is the mood in both situations. Here SEO an is clearly in an unstable behaviour while I'm the other was more of a chill make out. However, taking your comments as reference no is no, so I don't get why I saw no criticism in that chapter

    Midnight January 7, 2024 2:48 pm
    First of all making it clear that I'm not against your opinion cause your reply seems a bit high tone , or maybe that's just me misinterpreting. I only differ in the fact that I wouldn't call this rape or sexua... BETHOVEN

    Well I can't give you my honest judgments since I haven't seen the chapter yet.. I mean like really, I don't get why you're asking me that too tho. I mean I get it, But you were trying to ask me if wither I also see that as Taking advantage or SA but fr haven't even saw that chapter LOL. I can't get the full context. So idk-

    BETHOVEN January 7, 2024 2:49 pm
    Well I can't give you my honest judgments since I haven't seen the chapter yet.. I mean like really, I don't get why you're asking me that too tho. I mean I get it, But you were trying to ask me if wither I als... Midnight

    No , that's a previous chapter. Chapter 53 when they got back from wowoon first model gig