I'm not particularly fond of this chapter. Surely he should have handed better but y'all r...

BETHOVEN January 6, 2024 5:28 am

I'm not particularly fond of this chapter. Surely he should have handed better but y'all read stuff like jinx bj Alex, painter of the night , etc and I see no morality discussion .

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    BETHOVEN January 7, 2024 2:50 pm
    Well I can't give you my honest judgments since I haven't seen the chapter yet.. I mean like really, I don't get why you're asking me that too tho. I mean I get it, But you were trying to ask me if wither I als... Midnight

    Here https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_pizza_delivery_man_and_the_gold_palace/uu/br_chapter-181289/pg-1/

    Midnight January 7, 2024 2:50 pm
    No , that's a previous chapter. Chapter 53 when they got back from wowoon first model gig BETHOVEN

    Wait help, Sorry.. I thought you meant the new one.. Wait, Give me a sec LMAO.

    Midnight January 7, 2024 3:11 pm
    So would you say woowon took advantage of seo an previous chapters ago when SEO an clearly stated that he didn't want him eating his ass but he didn't stop? Again cause he didn't want to harm him ? Just curious... BETHOVEN

    Okay, I re read it. I even started at chapter 52. First of all I honestly have no idea how you came up to compare those scenes. In chapter 52, They started by a "HEALTHY" Make-out session then lead to another. So basically before everything happened it was 'Consented'. Then ends up to Woowon eating Seo-an's ass up. And also I'm sorry but I cannot find where Seo-an states he is 'uncomfortable..' In my observation though, it was pride calling that he would have never seen himself getting fucked or sucked like that because it's a first for him. And That is Seo-an's personality.. He has huge pride and sometimes eats him, that's one of his problem for me in my opinion. So here's my conclusion, I do not see that as Taking advantage at all.. Because it was Consented from the start, I Personally saw him saying no to Woowon sucking his ass up because He just wanted to get straight to the point. Since he did said "My pride can't take this" On chapter 53. And also that he'd rather "Let him tear him apart than keep on sucking it"
    It wasn't like how chapter 60 started. I'm pretty sure you an differentiate the two. They're so different. 

    BETHOVEN January 7, 2024 3:17 pm
    Okay, I re read it. I even started at chapter 52. First of all I honestly have no idea how you came up to compare those scenes. In chapter 52, They started by a "HEALTHY" Make-out session then lead to another. ... Midnight

    Sure , and personally I do not consider that sexual assault as well but based on what you said of STOP IS STOP... In my interpretation in this last chapter similar considerations can be taken into account. You will see in next chapter of course but rape is kind of a stretch for me. Not like I can't understand people seeing it as so but if we can take context into consideration for one so should it be done in this one. That's all

    Midnight January 7, 2024 3:20 pm
    So would you say woowon took advantage of seo an previous chapters ago when SEO an clearly stated that he didn't want him eating his ass but he didn't stop? Again cause he didn't want to harm him ? Just curious... BETHOVEN

    I don't know if my reply will make sense but I'm trying to explain to you that the two were basically different things. Chapter 53 and Chapter 60 is not worth comparing in my opinion because of how them doing it started.
    Chapter 53, was filled with consent and wants desire and love. Both were in mood, and wiling to do it. Chapter 60, the sudden s3x was out of place since it all started from a huge bang, or fight.. Yk what I mean. They came from Seo-an's frustration rising to the top, and dragging Woowon against the bed.. (Basically the s3x was unnecessary to happen at that time) It wasn't the right time, Woowon was uncomfortable of how Seo-an was mad he even said "Why are you so mad" in his thoughts.. Or something like that. Then to Seo-an suddenly touching him intimately, Woowon wasn't even hard at first, because he really didn't felt doing it. It wasn't the right time, So he said no.

    BETHOVEN January 7, 2024 3:25 pm
    I don't know if my reply will make sense but I'm trying to explain to you that the two were basically different things. Chapter 53 and Chapter 60 is not worth comparing in my opinion because of how them doing i... Midnight

    Of course, and there was no consent established at the beginning and that's why I'm not particularly fond on the development of the chapter, but for me I wouldn't consider it rape , I would definitely like if he was held accountable of it ofc but doesn't seem to be the case in previous chapters, specially with woowon continuing and falling into to non communication circle , just sex to release the pent out stress

    Midnight January 7, 2024 3:30 pm
    No , that's a previous chapter. Chapter 53 when they got back from wowoon first model gig BETHOVEN

    (If this is a double i truly apologize it doesn't show my reply)
    Okay, I re read it. I even started at chapter 52. First of all I honestly have no idea how you came up to compare those scenes. In chapter 52, They started by a "HEALTHY" Make-out session then lead to another. So basically before everything happened it was 'Consented'. Then ends up to Woowon eating Seo-an's ass up. And also I'm sorry but I cannot find where Seo-an states he is 'uncomfortable..' In my observation though, it was pride calling that he would have never seen himself getting fucked or sucked like that because it's a first for him. And That is Seo-an's personality.. He has huge pride and sometimes eats him, that's one of his problem for me in my opinion. So here's my conclusion, I do not see that as Taking advantage at all.. Because it was Consented from the start, I Personally saw him saying no to Woowon sucking his ass up because He just wanted to get straight to the point. Since he did said "My pride can't take this" On chapter 53. And also that he'd rather "Let him tear him apart than keep on sucking it"
    It wasn't like how chapter 60 started. I'm pretty sure you an differentiate the two. They're so different.

    Midnight January 7, 2024 3:33 pm
    No , that's a previous chapter. Chapter 53 when they got back from wowoon first model gig BETHOVEN

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    BETHOVEN January 7, 2024 3:33 pm
    (If this is a double i truly apologize it doesn't show my reply)Okay, I re read it. I even started at chapter 52. First of all I honestly have no idea how you came up to compare those scenes. In chapter 52, The... Midnight

    Also thanks for the conversation and the insight I truly appreciate it

    Midnight January 7, 2024 3:34 pm
    No , that's a previous chapter. Chapter 53 when they got back from wowoon first model gig BETHOVEN

    Sorry the dot was only a testing if ever I reload will ot dissappear.. And really does-.. So ye-

    Hoshi January 7, 2024 5:18 pm
    I absolutely have NO IDEA How someone can think in such a way.. I AM IMMENSELY SORRY But- Plesse.. Just- God help. Midnight

    I'm trying to state facts here not my personal opinion. "A 2012 survey of English-language yaoi fans found that just 15 percent of respondents reported that the presence of rape in yaoi media made them uncomfortable, as the majority of respondents could distinguish between the "fantasy, genre-driven rape" of yaoi and rape as a crime in reality." Maybe I shouldn't have used the term "enjoy" since enjoying isn't equivalent to not being uncomfortable. As for me I didn't particularly enjoy the latest chapter, I felt sad for both of them but I won't go as far as calling that rape or sa. And I won't criticize the authors for putting such contents in their stories because whether we like it or not rape is a theme in yaoi.

    opulentswan January 7, 2024 9:35 pm
    One think is writers including rape for whatever purpose they want in their story and another different one is enjoying those scenes. Like how can you even feel excitement from seeing others being sexually take... BETHOVEN

    Honestly I don’t get it either. Rape isn’t something to be enjoyed regardless of context.

    Midnight January 8, 2024 4:06 am
    Of course, and there was no consent established at the beginning and that's why I'm not particularly fond on the development of the chapter, but for me I wouldn't consider it rape , I would definitely like if h... BETHOVEN

    I personally think like how Woowon's reacting to Seo-an insisting on doing it would definitely also make me uncomfortable.. Because ya'll are a couple and have this dumb miscommunication and conflict right now, and while your partner is only insisting on fucking, makes me sick to the stomach like seriously.. I'm not even like being cap rn, It's sick af.
    That's where it draws the line really, Being intimate with your partner requires time and patient. If everything isn't good in ya'll relationship suggesting on s3x would literally be the worst thing you can suggest.
    That's why it's now "Taking advantage" and how it was really "Forceful".
    Because it really wasn't it. So Woowon's No was a serious No. Like fr suggesting "instead of doing it let's alteast talk".