I need him to beat him up. Or something. Like wtf. Or at least but boundaries?? It's not...

could you explain the misogynistic side of authors?

I wrote a reply and then my phone died and it was a lengthy reply so I'm just going to do speech to text and hopefully that translates if you've got any further questions then I'll text it I mean write it but for now I'm super tired so I'm just going to start talking:

So basically everyone has a little bit of internalized misogyny but it's doubly so for certain countries and Korea is one of them. Like there's a reason they have a giant protest where women refused to have kids because they're treated like s***.

And that's easier to spot in works where we have a man and a woman because the roles are much more clearly defined because we go into the story already expecting certain you know gender roles and stuff like that. If you read a story most of the time the guy is going to be the cool hot strong smart popular one and the girl is just she's just a normal plain Jane.

Now it's true that that has been changing and now we do have cool protagonists but for the longest time female protagonists have just been mostly passive and just someone the reader can live through for Romance again there are exceptions of course but most of the time that is what you found in stories especially so in like mangas and Manhwas like I remember the stories I would read that were written in like the 2000s or even in the 90s like the girls there were insufferable because they were just basically a mat because you could walk all over them.

And so now the misogyny is mostly just small microaggressions like it won't be as big as oh no you can't do you can't become a blah blah blah because you're a woman but it will be small things like maybe making the protagonist different for liking Sports oh she's so different from the other girls she's not into makeup blah blah blah.

That is harder to add in a story about BL but it still seeps through. Like a lot of the time they'll either be Pure Evil or just there for no reason it's hard to find good female characters in BL they're always done so dirty. But that's just like a background stuff what I meant mostly was how they write BL pairings.

And to see that you have to go no further than the main pairing itself you see the seme Be this Greek god of a guy who has everything he's essentially the same as the main love interest in a normal Shoujo manga. So he'll be handsome he'll be rich he'll be smart and he'll be strong.
What's more interesting is how you look at the UK character. My cubby some small slip of a man with a feminine figure super narrow shoulders tiny waist stick thin arms and he will be the one the reader who in most cases is female we'll see themselves through he will be the poor one the not popular one the probably not that smart like in most cases he is just as dumb as a female protagonist etc etc. In other words he will be the female of the relationship and I'm saying female in quotation marks. Now that's not always the case and you have some stories where the UK character will also be buff and maybe even moderately smart. shocker. But in most cases the male lead the love interest will always overpower him he'll always be somehow just smarter just stronger just blah blah blah just answer and he will always just have the upper hand because he's just to put it plainly better. That's why I don't believe that the protagonist here is stronger because I'm sure that something is just going to pop out to be like oh no he was just playing along he's actually just been the strongest all along. Because the UK is the girl in the relationship.
This is especially so in stories where their bed positions are very clearly defined. Like, there are some stories where it is real because it's centered around two boys but since the bed position isn't that clear and cut the readers are left wondering and you see them as people instead of just people's you can project your desires to cuz a lot of people I feel like fetishize the genre because the genre in the first place was created to fetishize gay people. So the yowie genre is actually directed at females which I feel like we all know it's not at all a real representation of gay men and their relationships.

So in stories where you have that ambiguity about them like for example lost in the clouds I think it's a good story because it doesn't let people just project instead you actually kind of get to know them while in stories like this it's basically just pwp. If you're reading this unless you like dark romances you're probably not in here for the plot. Sorry I'm like insanely tired and I know I'm rambling a lot and there are probably a lot of sentences that don't make sense I'm sure that if you ask someone much more informed and eloquent than me they could give you a much more succent answer

OMG HOW ARE YOU SO WELL SPOKEN THERES NOT A SINGLE UM OR LIKE IN HERE DESPITE BEING TTS
and i get what you mean now by the mc not being the stronger one despite being the esper…that sucks cuz hes so handsome

You're being way too kind cause I tried reading this and even I got annoyed despite knowing what I originally meant

Also my phone translating uke to UK is hilarious. Also yowie. Idk what that is but I found it funny

OHH UK IS UKE. i got yowie though cuz thats how i say it in my head

Try reading Reincarnated into Demon King Evelogia's World (Yaoi). It’s exactly the opposite of the stereotype tropes you just named.

Well at least in the fact that their roles are switched.

I used to read that but I've gotten older and that seems to veer in p3dofilia for me now


Not accusing you or any other reader ofc but it doesn't feel right for me personally. Would love any other recs of inverted stereotypes tho!