But I guess as long as he loves it's fine, right? It's not like he hurts him for real, he was only possessive if I got it right.
Yeah I have sex with my partner against his will when I'm just being possessive too. There are limits.
Where was the part with the sex against his will? I read it again and there wasn't any hint that he really didn't want it.
I know that THAT is not good, but this scenario appears rather often in mangas - turning into a good relationship.
Right at the beginning he said no and his partner did it anyway. He ended up all sore and had a hard time working.
Oh, you meant that!
I don't think that really counts as "sex against his will" as in rape. He didn't say anything after that. It was shit, yeah, but he didn't start hating him for THAT.
How many Yaois have you read? It is almost common that something like that happens. The seme or uke forcing himself on their crush in order to make their body love them first. I know that's wrong and stupid, but that keeps moving the plot.
As long as he doesn't end up raped for real or me crying over seeing him having a bad time, I don't mind. It's horrible, but not the worst thing that could happen.
btw I remember a manga where the son was raped by his father to loose stress and the boy loved it cause it was the only affection he got from him. I don't call that rape (if you forget about the father-son stuff), but I hate it from the depths of my heart.
I read yaoi all the time but I ignore rapey ones. And of course he didn't say anything after that, he's in love. Some people get beaten up by the people they love but don't say anything because they don't know how to and/or they are afraid of being abandoned. He said no and no amount of sugar coating changes that.
I think I also remember reading that and taking advantage of young people is rape. Not to mention a son deserves normal affection from his father. His father took advantage of his lack of knowledge of the world, one thing a father is supposed to teach his son not manipulate. He starved him of something he deserved from the get-go, which was the love and guildence of a father.
You have some pretty messed up ideas of consent.
Wait a minute, what the hell did I wrote? "the son was raped by his father [...] I don't call that rape"?! That doesn't make sense at all...
I'll correct this: I really hated the father and since then I kinda get a bad feeling about abusive stuff, but if it comes to some manga I'm just too curious or too desperate. If I try to compare it some manga I've read than something like THAT isn't the worst thing that could happen. I mean I've read Ero Guro stuff once and was hating myself for almost an entire month. (Don't ever read it! I'm serious!)
It may be true that I think different about that consent thing since I believe in what I learned from "The World God Only Knows" (you don't need to know it, just follow my thoughts):
Let's say there was a guy. He is always saying bad things to you. He was cold to you, but nice to everyone else. He was hating you the most and you hated him.
Someday you found out that he did that to protect you. Because he loved you.
What would you say then?
Of course he was an asshole the entire time and I would punch him the next time I see him, but he isn't as bad as he was before.
tbh I'm sorry if I sound like a psycho, saying something good about abuse and such. I'm just a little bit too objective if it comes to... everything, I guess.
To me, something like what happened in this manga is different from actual rape (in a manga). It is only sugar coating, I know, but I think about it that way. I really can't see rape there. Sorry!
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This is the line for my answer to what you said. I just wanted to tell you that I can agree with what you said, but I still hold onto my own belief. And I wanted to tell you that this may sound a bit strange what I said and it could be that I'm a bit emotional right now since I've read the newest Chapter of Bastard and I feel like crying, screaming and hating right now, since I have been calling that for about five chapters now(?)
Damn I agree with Manager here, Sebastian is abusive af.