controversial take but like, i honestly can't hate the ML for his actions. don't get me wr...

sure, whatever helps you sleep at night babe

Brooo ur the one who is willfully ignorant u responded to me in a condescending manner the only person u didn’t respond to in a condescending manner was the person u sucked up to “ur too kind on them” wtf are u talking abt bc they had the common sense to know what that person was saying they’re too kind? Also nobodies diminishing what the ML went through it just doesn’t matter atp he’s taking it out on the wrong person point blank. brother is an adult and as I’ve said before nobody gaf when ur actively harming ppl I don’t see how ur not getting it. Ofc I wasn’t talking abt putting him down it’s a fucking metaphor just like how the ML isn’t actually a dog don’t be purposefully dumb. The ML being unable to communicate isn’t UNDERSTANDABLE actually you saying this is rlly proving what I said abt u giving him excuses. The harmful way of thinking is bc ur giving him excuses ur literally saying “oh I know what he does is wrong BUT” see that “but” part is where it all goes downhill STOP it doesn’t matter, IDCCC, he’s a grown man and clearly isn’t in this “rage” u keep referring to he’s just twisted and genuinely thinks he’s in the right. And im not defending anyone I think they made a valid point and u responded weird so I chimed in, im not here to save them, they seem capable of taking care of themself. Btw you saying this is how u would react is crazy and rlly shows me YOURE the one lacking the mental capacity for this convo :3

you're still here? omg creep get away from me

your tactics to avoid responsibility are so amusing, just like a 12 y/o who started using social media

How am I the one that's willfully ignorant omgggggg my whole point was recognizing how mentally incapable the ML is in thinking in a normal manner cz of trauma while you people are saying he should suck it up cz he's already a grown adult. Do you see how crazy y'all are by not taking into account that entire slip in the past the author spoon fed the readers? It's crazyyy how you're just bending everything to stroke yourselves, it's actually mentally drainingggg talking about the same point over and over again. So this will be my last reply since you're clearly refusing to comprehend or understand so talk to the wall after this.

And AGAIN, I give back what is given to me. If you see my initial replies to you as aggression then that's on you omfg. The point where I grew "condescending" was the point where I kept repeating myself repeatedly because YOU kept REFUSING TO SEE the point I was trying to make and actually twisting it into me defending the ML's actions despite CLEARLY stating it in my original comment how wrong and disgusting it is.

If you're jealous of the first person I replied to respectfully then just say sooooo, even though I was also respectful to you at first lol. Not anymore though cz you're crazy af.

That ML was wrongggg and all I've said was that I SEE WHY he's doing the actions he is doing for reasons I've already stated again and again. I've NEVER excused his actions nor have I supported it but naaahhh you wanna keep repeating that "No! Boohoo he's an adult and he should act as one regardless of the nasty shit he's been through. Yeah, he got gangraped as a child but that doesn't mean he's going to be affected mentally. Booo you're so mean! I'm not bending you're words, you are! You're so dumb" IT'S CRAZYY TALKING TO Y'ALL OMGGG. Y'all kept putting words in my mouth and I'm spitting it out cz no wayyyyy.

Actually see documentaries of people getting raped or have gone through an intensely traumatic experience and see how mentally jarring it is to live normally after. The ML's response to it isn't the same as the majority where he gets weak and become VISIBLY incapacitated, but his is on the extreme side of going ape-shit out of anger and confusion WHICH WAS MY POINT. His actions are a response, it isn't unprovoked. It is wrong but understandable in HIS CIRCUMSTANCE. If you still don't get it then that's on you and your mother for not nurturing you as a baby cz clearly there's an effect on your unloved childhood past that is surfacing right now cognitively. BYE LOL

so what responsibility am I avoiding creep? LOL recognize your own fault and actually get out of my notifs, it's gross you're still here despite telling you to go away. no respect for boundaries much? yuck

calling me a "creep" won't make you right xD

also there's an option to mute it this thread, if you haven't turned it off then that's on you, not my fault I am using a public domain to give my opinions (just like you)

Alr buddy if that’s what u wanna say u think what u wanna think but I’m telling u the way u think is harmful idc how u spin it once again nobody is diminishing what he went through but u seem to think that’s an excuse to do whatever u wanna do. No it’s not and ur dumb for thinking that. U only see it ur way I did try to get where ur coming from but at a certain point it’s just insanity be for real it doesn’t matter what he went through so many murderers go through things when they’re young its doesn’t give them the excuse to carry on that cycle. And u were rude the first time I talked to u don’t fucking lie u weirdo. There is something rlly holding u back mentally. Bye babes

I must respectfully disagree. While I understand the impact of childhood trauma and its lasting effects on individuals, it's still important to recognize that people cope with such experiences in various ways and he could've gone about it differently.
Just because someone has endured trauma doesn't automatically justify their harmful actions as adults. I empathize with the ML's past, but I firmly believe there are better ways to address and cope with trauma, such as seeking therapy.

Your assertion that I, as someone who may have experienced childhood trauma, should automatically sympathize with the ML's actions oversimplifies that complexity of trauma and healing. While trauma undoubtedly shapes individuals, it doesn't absolve them of responsibility for their choices as adults?

Furthermore, the notion that the ML's inability to engage in calm conversation or seek therapy due to his trauma excuses his actions is deeply concerning dude. As a director and an adult, he should have the capacity to recognize the wrongfulness of his actions and seek help. Choosing to perpetuate cycles of abuse instead of seeking better alternatives is unacceptable. It isn't even the MC's fault either. You choosing to go through the killer route is insane too ngl, but again I'm not trying to overlook his trauma but it seems like you keep skipping that part and telling us that we're in the wrong?? Drum's comment, "You can't let the dog run around hurting ppl just bc it has rabies." is a great a fucking point and showcases what we're exactly talking about.

And as I've said before, repeatedly, I have NEVER justified nor supported his actions and have always recognized it is wrong. My whole statement was that his actions were not without reason and is simply a response to his blind rage. Point blank period. I have never said it is right and have never said he should continue doing so. I hope that can finally get across cz y'all are the ones who are skipping over words.

I fully recognize your point of him being wrong, from the beginning might I add, and as I've stated before, I am simply directing light on how his actions had basis, despite how wrong it is.

And as you've said yourself, it is important to note that people cope with such experiences in various way and he could've gone about it differently, a point which I never disagreed with? But unfortunately, he didn't. Hence, my what I've been trying to explain every single time how what he did was a different coping mechanism FOR HIS CIRCUMSTANCE. And AGAIN, I've never condoned that behavior. And IDK how you missed that but what you said right there is exactly the point I've been trying to get across but y'all seem to refuse any kind of further comprehension because you're stuck on the idea that I'm excusing and supporting the ML's actions? It's infuriating to say the least, explaining over and over again.

And AGAIN, I never had any intention to absolve him of any sins, I'm actually getting sick of trying to explain this, but at this point, you surely understand what I'm trying to say, right? Because if not, then you can stand together with those other two.

You say I'm oversimplifying trauma when you're the one sticking a traumatized person's capacity to be on the same standard as a normal adult simply because he is grown? It's quite a hypocritical statement, if I'm being honest. You preach on the complexity of trauma, yet fail to hold the different responses each and every individual can commit, fully knowing this fact as well. His responses are on the extreme side, you've stated how you've also underwent a traumatic experience, and I'm genuinely sorry to hear that, but it seems to me your limiting another traumatized person's response to your own. Which I advise you not to do as you know fully well, your experiences may be similar but it is not the same, nor is his character the same as yours.

And as I've stated before, his intense anger is his response to his experiences and his POV. Again, you cannot hold him on the same level as any adult as every single individual is different, the same goes for each of their responses as well, which you've fully recognized? His response is blinded anger. Even a normal person cannot think clearly when experiencing extreme anger, yes? So I really do not understand how you're not getting this and are still pushing for him to be able to think rationally when we can all see how he is clearly unable to do so? And I have to clarify again cz I have the feeling you're gonna go off on your own conclusions, but I still do not justify his actions. I am simply recognizing the cause. What are you so hell bent on saying I am wrong for doing so?

Hey, haven't read allll the comments, but thought your comments have been interesting and wanted to add to the discussion.

You're correct that trauma, particularly at young age totally impacts someone's development, hence his total anger. The ML also lacks insight and the ability to self regulate. He can't move beyond how he felt in those moments. Through his perspective, perhaps this behaviour all makes sense. It sounds to me you're trying to explain the 'why' of the behaviour and his perspective, not necessarily say what he's doing is okay.

In saying that I think there's a murky line here between understanding the why of someone's behaviour and then recognising the consequences. He may not have the insight to 'act rationally', but most certainly has the responsibility to do so. We can and should hold adults to a particular standard. The standard being not doing harm unto others, respecting their bodily autonomy and their right to freedom. The basic understanding of right and wrong. The standard doesn't and should not drop.

There are several serial killers who have had awful, terrible, traumatic childhoods - this certainly helps us understand them and their behaviour. But it doesn't change the consequences of their actions. Some people over the course of their life experience really significant adverse events and they become angry, jaded and hateful - they can understand right from wrong, even if they feel justified in their actions.