This shouldn’t have a happy ending

Gus_the_dino May 10, 2024 4:24 am

From reading the comments, I know that she forgives him. I don’t think she should’ve and I don’t think she should be forgiven either. I think this story resembles that of Mary Antoinette very closely. She was extremely ignorant and that is a sin. I think by the time this story takes place. It’s too late for her to redeem herself. And I don’t believe her husband is redeemable As well. He is an abuser. He is ignorant, willfully ignorant To her suffering at the end of the last chapter or the last few chapters, he’s been like why didn’t I know the signs? They were right in front of him and he chose to ignore him. He wanted her to suffer and he wanted her to suffer alongside him and that was what he wanted and that I think we all know that this dude is a horrible person. I don’t think he’s working. The revolution is redeemable enough to make him not a horrible person, these two people are not good people and I think the best ending is both of them dying young and having this end as a tragedy because that’s what it is no amount of forgiving on both sides is going to fix this relationship. It’s not gonna do anything and it’s gonna leave people with the feeling of maybe I should forgive my abuser, but you shouldn’t let a privileged woman who has been ignorant all of her life be the only victim of the story because as much as her husband is a piece of shit, she is not innocent, although she doesn’t deserve that she deserve to be killed revolution and I know that’s really harsh but this is a forgiveness is feasible. Idk I just think this is rlly interesting and this shouldn’t be a romance:p

Responses
    Reneec May 10, 2024 11:47 am

    She was like a 15 year old who lived a sheltered life we literally see her dad lie to her about the trial/ torture she was ignorant because she was kept that way not by choice When your parents lie to you, your whole life and they put you in a bubble where you can’t see the outside world is completely different than Marie Antoinette She was entitled she thought she deserved everything and she knew exactly what was going on. She knew who she married. She who literally had people murdered. Who knew peasants were starving who spent the money You’re comparing somebody who is historically horrible, and knew every horrible thing she was doing was horrible to a young woman who was deceived by her father, who thought her father was a great man who loved her and had all these accomplishments To a woman who was happy to be a dictator and tyrant

    Absolutely crazy to call her horrible person because we see this now where parents control the narrative of what their children believe You sheltered them you choose who they interact with what knowledge they bring in so they only believe in what you say They either grow up to realize that their hero their parents are just regular people or absolute villain The sins of the father are not the sins of the son She never even had a chance to redeem herself or to realize what was going on the day she realized that her dad might be lying or that there’s something about what she knows her Was shot in the head in front of her the next night She didn’t even know she was in a dystopia Or that she was a bird in a cage Because she was treated so well And that the cage gilded Every person she’s ever loved, has deceived her and led her through deceit

    Reneec May 10, 2024 11:59 am

    Also think of it like this, your parents lie to you from the time you’re a small child they tell you about the tooth fairy they tell you about Santa and you think of these things are all real and amazing but it turns out they’re fake They’re your parents to manipulate you to some moral law that they believe in Same as fairy tales oh my gosh, she’s a princess and so amazing or little red riding hood was able to save her grandma But those stories are all based off A book of grim narratives literally called the grim fairytales Where tragedies and atrocities occur left and right to scare people and children To be standardized or socially acceptable Hansel and Gretel, Snow White
    Little Red Riding Hood,Sleeping Beauty,Tom Thumb, Rapunzel,The Golden Goose, Rumpelstiltskin, The Frog PrinceLittle are all idolize stories that come from the Grimms book that your parents tell you and you believe, but the reality behind them is red riding hood is about a girl who symbolizes virginity being taken vantage of by a man Hansel and Gretel were abandoned by their family and eaten by a cannibal Due to Germany starving lower class but we listen to our parents, and we listen to what the TVs and books that I’ve been rewritten say we listen to the propaganda bc We’re children and susceptible to that parental figures, warp a children’s reality and old their mind controlled their view and perspective Am I saying she’s 100% completely innocent no but I do believe she didn’t realize or grass the full reality of how horrible her dad was or the monarchy

    Juniper May 10, 2024 4:16 pm
    She was like a 15 year old who lived a sheltered life we literally see her dad lie to her about the trial/ torture she was ignorant because she was kept that way not by choice When your parents lie to you, your... Reneec

    Thank you. Another sane person.

    Nemesis May 10, 2024 10:45 pm

    You're really comparing her to Marie Antoinette who actually is a ruler compared to a girl who's the daughter of a tyrant. Even if she do something, do you think her parents will let her be? Are you an idiot? Her parents let her see what they want her to see because they can control the narrative and her perception. She was still under their care and have always been given rose colored glasses by her parents. The fuck is she gonna do? Revolt. What a shit ass take and a stupid comparison

    Gus_the_dino May 11, 2024 10:27 pm
    She was like a 15 year old who lived a sheltered life we literally see her dad lie to her about the trial/ torture she was ignorant because she was kept that way not by choice When your parents lie to you, your... Reneec

    Honestly I see where you’re coming from and I don’t disagree about the parents sheltering her. And honestly the Mary Antoinette comparison may be wrong(? I’m not sure I just know ppl have mixed feelings about her cuz of her age and stuff which is why I made the comparison, so maybe I’m wrong? Idk) Also I rlly like her character and I think it sounds like I was defending the husband (I’m deeply not cuz fuck him) but I think I had a lot of spelling/grammar fuck ups which made it more confusing. I’m also not blaming her for what was happening when she was growing up but looking at her flash backs there were times that she should’ve looked into stuff that would’ve made her somewhat aware of the situation. But she didn’t and I think that’s on her. Normally I wouldn’t jump to she probably should have died or she should die but with the context of the I don’t see her living or wanting to live or the ppl wanting to live. I was thinking about this more from the perspective of one of the citizens. Also I know that her and the husband dying at the end is a shitty ending and sad and fucked up but I think it would be more realistic. (I know this is fiction and I’m probably not thinking about this in a very fun way but I was just thinking about this) also I rlly normally wouldn’t suggest or think this way it’s just my way of thinking about this from the perspective of a citizen. Idk if this makes sense

    Gus_the_dino May 11, 2024 10:41 pm
    You're really comparing her to Marie Antoinette who actually is a ruler compared to a girl who's the daughter of a tyrant. Even if she do something, do you think her parents will let her be? Are you an idiot? H... Nemesis

    Damn dawg u don’t have to ask if I’m an idiot also the Mary Antoinette comparison was mainly because I know that a lot of ppl don’t think she was like a horrible person because of her age(?) honestly tho it may be a shit comparison cuz idk enough about her to say ur wrong and that it’s an amazing comparison. Also I don’t disagree that she was under the watch of her parents but she saw things that she found suspicious and chose not to look into it. And also if she looked into this stuff and found out I think she could try to revolt even if it’s in small ways. I wrote this thinking in the perspective of a citizen and I think that they would still want her dead and also I think her husband should die cuz he is the worst pos I’ve read about in a long time. Anyway, idk I was just thinking about this. Also to clarify I normally would never jump to such a harsh conclusionI know this post makes me look like a bitch

    Nemesis May 11, 2024 10:47 pm
    Damn dawg u don’t have to ask if I’m an idiot also the Mary Antoinette comparison was mainly because I know that a lot of ppl don’t think she was like a horrible person because of her age(?) honestly tho ... Gus_the_dino

    then you're like those idiot citizens who only want to look for someone to blame because an existing person from their bloodline is still living. It's not about she have done to those citizens, it's because she still existed and if there's still left to blame no matter if that person colluded or not, they would still blame them because they're related. It's pretty much lynching girly. It's like you're telling everyone here you're incapable of making complex decisions without adhering to what other people are saying as long as you can justify their hatred towards her no matter how fucking stupid the connections and comparison you're making, as long as it makes sense for you and the dumbass of people you're trying to ponder to. You're a dumbass trying to be smart but ended up becoming like a sheep

    Gus_the_dino May 12, 2024 12:23 am
    then you're like those idiot citizens who only want to look for someone to blame because an existing person from their bloodline is still living. It's not about she have done to those citizens, it's because she... Nemesis

    Honestly I get being passionate about something but holy shit are you being a condescending asshole. I have shown no aggression in my response or original post, nor did I say something outrageous enough to get a response like this. Calling me an idiot and “ in capable of making complex decisions” is fucking rude. Also this is a fucking comment section what are on???? Also I still agree with what I said and if u don’t understand the perspective I have then so fucking what? Also don’t call me a dumbass and say I’m trying to be smart but became a sheep. Like who tf are u? Also don’t call me “girly” I’m not ur fucking girly you passive aggressive fuck. Also I know shes not a bad person but I want to say that killing a rich person that did nothing as you starved and suffered because she didn’t look into the red flags around her is not “pretty much lynching”. Get your head out of ur ass. Your comment is basically telling me that you’d spread ur cheeks for the rich if they say I didn’t know or I’m sorry. At the end of the day she could’ve done something or looked into what was going on. And it’s pander not ponder.

    Reneec May 13, 2024 11:32 am
    Honestly I see where you’re coming from and I don’t disagree about the parents sheltering her. And honestly the Mary Antoinette comparison may be wrong(? I’m not sure I just know ppl have mixed feelings a... Gus_the_dino

    Babe no it was a day between the revolution and the recital she performed thought something was weird and then the next day her dad was shot in front of her and it was a revolution And you literally said she was a bad person and then compare her to the likes of Marie Antoinette tho people think it’s a complicated situation with Marie Antoinette because yes she was young so her prefrontal lobe and cortex weren’t fully developed but even if you were young, you still know right and wrong and you know that people beating people letting the masses Starve while you live in luxury is bad and that’s just objectively speaking This little girl had a date to think about whether her father was bad or not, and then he was dead live for years Of her subjects and was making decisions that directly influenced and hurt the masses The other is a little girl who only had a day to think about it no time to react what you just did was falling to pitchfork and mob mentality i’m thinking about this from a third-party objective and unbiased where her father was a villain. It wasn’t her fault she didn’t contribute to that but then her husband became her own personal villain while she was demonized and dehumanized for just being born to the wrong family Well, I do understand the citizens resentment what was it that she could’ve done if she didn’t know I bet if she was just a couple years younger the perspective would change greatly and I mean 15 to a 12 year-old I think that you were to judge and didn’t look at the big picture that she was a victim as well

    Reneec May 13, 2024 11:40 am
    Honestly I get being passionate about something but holy shit are you being a condescending asshole. I have shown no aggression in my response or original post, nor did I say something outrageous enough to get ... Gus_the_dino

    I think that they’re so adamant because at this point it sounds like you were victim blaming And casting judgment from the sins of a father onto a child who had nothing to do with it and you came off very harshly saying that she’s a bad person and that she should die and that she did nothing when she didn’t have time to do anything This person is trying to say that you made shallow interface judgment And from the way you typed it did seem aggressive and that’s why I commented to you because you were condemning somebody without Full Context Because what you’re saying fact is not fact you don’t shackle somebody before trial and you don’t kill somebody before they’re in the grave why I said you have mob mentality is because you’re angry and misinformation being spread and you’re going with public opinion instead of what would be morality saying that she is Without wrong But she didn’t know Nor was involved That simply it Think of it in the way is none of it would hold up and trial to condemn a 15-year-old little girl to a life of prison for a crime she did not commit nor have further knowledge of she has plausible deniability

    Gus_the_dino May 13, 2024 4:34 pm
    Babe no it was a day between the revolution and the recital she performed thought something was weird and then the next day her dad was shot in front of her and it was a revolution And you literally said she wa... Reneec

    Okay, I understand that my original comment was aggressive and not well put at all. And I still think ignorance like this is rlly bad but I also see that I went way to hard saying that she should die and I’m pretty sure I called her a bad person which wasn’t fair. I rlly like her character and I don’t think she’s actually a bad person but I went way too hard talking from the perspective of a citizen. I know I sound like I’m back tracking and to an extent I am, but I still feel like a more realistic ending would have the both of them dying from built up resentment from the citizens. I’m also pretty sure I didn’t explain any of this in my original post which is my fault. I also rlly appreciate your comments and responses to my original post. I hope this kind of clears this up(?) I’m not sure if I sound like an ass rn if I do I’m sorry I’m not great at figuring out the tone of stuff like this. Anyways thank you:)

    Gus_the_dino May 13, 2024 4:44 pm
    I think that they’re so adamant because at this point it sounds like you were victim blaming And casting judgment from the sins of a father onto a child who had nothing to do with it and you came off very har... Reneec

    I get the core of what they’re saying but my problem started with their second reply. I think there’s a way to tell someone you still disagree with them and that you have issues with their thought process without calling them an idiot among other things. Cuz for me I rlly don’t mind ppl telling me that they feel or think differently, in fact I enjoy talking to ppl about stuff like this and I’m very down to change my opinion. But I’m not interested in doing that with a person that is condescending and rude. Thank you for your reply:)