DON'T GET MAD AT ME BUT...

I am not reading the gaslighting propaganda of insecure cyberstalkers that have to steal identities and try to set some one up because they are threatened. I seen one comment. So they are threatened by MD and the truth. That makes sense they try to control us with false narratives

Repeating the same arguments and attacks can be a way to wear the targets down emotionally. They believe that maintaining a constant barrage of attacks and same debunked lies will give them control over the targets and the situation.
Some individuals derive a sense of power and satisfaction from humiliating or intimidating others. They want to humiliate MD because they have felt humiliated by MD calling them out on their bad behavior and proving them wrong. There is no rape in Jinx. They are so insecure that they stolen identities to harass others, they tried to frame someone, they try to make 10 people the same person, and they retort to same debunked arguments because they are threatened by MD and the truth.

this my last response but I think you gotta work on responding to something you don't agree with. I don't think I've taken something you've said and reworded it or misinterpreted it but when I said rape is a serious issue that's not saying it isn't a crime. I can say murder is a serious issue and that doesn't mean I'm saying it's not a crime. be fr. I think war is bad. I think the earth is round. I think murder is a crime. the way I word something as being my opinion doesn't mean it's not a fact in the way I'm presenting it. I also went out of my way to say that what I've been saying is my opinion because I don't think you realize that if some things are "my opinion" then to me your whole argument is the same thing in my eyes so that gets us no where. saying something is my opinion in no way turns something I'm saying into something that isn't a fact for me. I'm my opinion murder is bad. are you gonna argue that murder isn't bad because it's my opinion? I also said people may come to the conclusion Jaekyung did no wrong because this is a story that has a MC ending up with a toxic male lead and there are always ppl who don't see issues in that. this response just lost me cuz in no where do I say "Saying it is not rape ≠ Jeakyung could do no wrong" Whenever I'm discussing something w someone and they start telling me abt things I'm saying and I can't go back and find where I said those exact words it just means you're tryna change it into something it's not and I make sure I'm trying to get an idea of what your argument so I don't do that to someone else.

I included my reason for responding to this whole thing was for Dan. I don't think my motivations are emotional manipulation because as I've said and I'll quote myself here "considering rape is un-consensual penetrative sex, and there's lots of scenes where Jaekyung, a professional mma fighter, is overpowering Dan after he says no stop wait or is in pain, whether he is raping Dan. if you look at the definition of rape then at what Jaekyung is doing, even if it's not rape (which I believe it to be) it's definitely not far from it." I think having empathy for Dan allows us to see these characters in context of Jaekyung physically overpowering him during sex and Dan's withdrawal of consent during sex scenes, not emotional manipulation. empathy isn't emotional manipulation, if I didn't have any empathy for Dan I might just not care abt him or what Jaekyung did to him. Just because I feel bad for Dan doesn't mean I'm going to claim Jaekyung kidnapped him then killed him then killed his grandma. I'm being honest with myself in how my emotions impact my responses but I also think my empathizing with Dan allows me to see harm from Jaekyung better if he is forcing non-consensual penetration (rape) onto Dan. my motivations don't need to be like a robot, all that matters is that I'm looking at the facts of the story and not putting in anything that is there, or omitting things that are, I can feel for Dan who is in a vulnerable situation because Jaekyung is physically overpowering him to force cooperation. also your "It is like you thinking he murder Dan’s family and then telling someone that since you don’t think he murder his family feels like we are not collectively feeling for Dan" be fr. I can go through all of Jinx and not find any scenes of Jaekyung plotting to murder Dan's grandma, every 5 chapters I can find Jaekyung continuing penetrative sex without Dan's consent, I get that a character committing non-consensual penetrative sex can be very upsetting but saying something isn't there is as bad as a person saying "he murder Dan’s family."

Consent is: Freely given, Reversible, Informed, Enthusiastic, and Specific. FRIES. stay informed and end rape culture

empathy isn't emotional manipulation, if I didn't have empathy for Dan, I wouldn't care abt him or what Jaekyung did to him.

"It is like you thinking he murder Dan’s family and then telling someone that since you don’t think he murder his family feels like we are not collectively feeling for Dan." be fr. I just put two and two together, if rape is nonconsensual penetrative sex and Jaekyung has nonconsensual penetrative sex could the nonconsensual penetrative sex possibly be rape? yea I think so. "What is happening in Jinx is far from rape." um but is it really?

I also think the earth is round and I also think murder is an issue. saying I think before something doesn't make it not a fact in the way I'm presenting it.

Saying the ocean is cold doesn't mean it isn't also salty. When I say "rape is an issue" that doesn't mean I'm saying it's not a crime.

"Rape is a serious issue'. No. Rape is a serious crime. Rape is a crime. Rape is not in Jinx." =there is no war in ba sing se

I also never said "Saying it is not rape ≠ Jeakyung could do no wrong," we talking abt a toxic BL story that has attractive characters, people always say a character can do no wrong in their eyes. I think it's important to consider what the author's story is before talking abt how people who are motivated by empathy for Dan are tryna emotionally manipulate people. I think even the author has empathy for Dan and they made the character.

to remember what consent is think FRIES. Consent is: Freely given, Reversible, Informed, Enthusiastic, and Specific. FRIES. if rape is penetrative sex with no consent and Dan doesn't have FRIES with his consent than that is rape. Reversible is a big one Jaekyung needs to get down, signing a contract don't mean Dan isn't allowed to reverse or withdraw his consent freely at any time, is Dan enthusiastically consenting? or is he bleeding out and in pain and saying no? Is Dan consenting to specific sexual activities before hand? or is Jaekyung forcing him penetrative sex before he has specifically consented to that activity? is Dan fully informed that Jaekyung is gonna bring an audience to watch him while he is tried up? these are ways we can assess moments where Dan hasn't given consent before hand.

@ReverseHaremjutsu

“this my last response but I think you gotta work on responding to something you don't agree with.”

If you read my message that does not fit. That is manipulation.

You misunderstood when I said rape is a serious crime. I was making it clear to you that I am not ignoring rape or downplaying rape as I find it a serious crime. It is how your comments are coming across and relating to other people who had the same arguments and attitudes as you do.
My “argument” is not my opinion it is just facts and the story. This is not an opinion vs opinion. This is your opinion vs the real details of the story and the definition.
You seem to like to twist things around to make you the victim here. For example,
“saying something is my opinion in no way turns something I'm saying into something that isn't a fact for me.”
I wasn’t saying that and that should not be a conclusion.

“I'm my opinion murder is bad. are you gonna argue that murder isn't bad because it's my opinion?” How does this fit? That is more manipulation.

This "Saying it is not rape ≠ Jeakyung could do no wrong" is how you are coming across and how many people have made it. I was making it clear to you of how illogical that was.


“Whenever I'm discussing something w someone and they start telling me abt things I'm saying and I can't go back and find where I said those exact words it just means you're tryna change it into something it's not and I make sure I'm trying to get an idea of what your argument so I don't do that to someone else.”
I would not said anything if you didn’t have something to indicate it. Why would you say some of those things?
You used emotional manipulation. You explained you did. I have empathy for Dan but I see sexual assault. You are implying since you see rape you have more empathy towards him from what you said. Do you get that? Or why would you say that?
Emotional manipulation.
Is Jaekyung truly over powering him? Is Dan withdrawing consent?
Right, empathy is not emotional manipulation. This is a strawman because what you did was emotional manipulation.
“. Just because I feel bad for Dan doesn't mean I'm going to claim Jaekyung kidnapped him then killed him then killed his grandma.” That is what you are doing by saying it is rape.

“I'm being honest with myself in how my emotions impact my responses but I also think my empathizing with Dan allows me to see harm from Jaekyung better if he is forcing non-consensual penetration (rape) onto Dan.” Only if you see rape? More emotional manipulation.

How are you looking at the facts when you use misinformation?
“ Dan who is in a vulnerable situation because Jaekyung is physically overpowering him to force cooperation”. That is not accurate.


“, every 5 chapters I can find Jaekyung continuing penetrative sex without Dan's consent.

Misinformation. I read jinx.
I know FRIES. Why are you thinking I don’t?
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What I said about the contract and Dan was ignored. This person is making a strong case for sexual assault and not rape as they think they are. This person is just an alt of some hater as they try not to look like a hater. Jinx fans don’t act like that nor use those arguments.

Of course, Morning diamonds will deny any rape in jinx til the end. You can explain it to him like he's 5 and he still will choose wilful ignorance.