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Lol what is his deal! He keeps going after this guy even though he has repeatedly shown himself to not like him. He insults him (in his own head) but then asks him on dates??? Dude, what do you waaaant.
I don't think he necessarily meant it in that way, he's analyzing Subin trying to figure out what his deal is because they had sex the other night and Subin hasn't messaged him since. Him calling him a "little bitch" is because Subin accepts his date proposal half heartedly not really caring if he goes or not. The hyung is interested in Subin and asks him on a date to which Subin says yes, but he can see that Subin isn't really interested which pisses him off, he's basically being used.
But it hasn't been proven that Subin slept with the office guy. Logically, it makes more sense that he slept with Hyunwoo since they both woke up naked, in the same bed, and in the same room. However, as I said before it hasn't been proven either way whether he slept with office guy or even Hyunwoo. And for the office guy feeling used, that might be the fact that he wined and dined him without getting anything in return, such as sex instead of him having sex with Subin then never getting a call back.
To me it makes more sense that he had sex with the manager, not hyunwoo. The manager is confirmed gay (even shows interest in subin) and hyunwoo hasn't shown any signs of break in his resolve for years of Subin's advances, hyunwoo is hetero AF. What i think happened is that on the night of the sex hyunwoo wanted to get drunken subin out of his hair, but since the red head guy that usually takes care of drunk subin had gotten drunk as well he called up the manager (hyunwoo knows that the manager has been texting subin as he saw the text on subin's phone and decided he "didn't want to get involved" probably because he assumes the two are sleeping together) to come get subin from the hotel room he had payed for, subin has a tendency to talk about hyunwoo when he's drunk so i think that he told the manager all about his years of love for hyunwoo which made the manager fall in love with Subin and take his virginity to comfort him, the manager then took Subin back to the hotel room (which explains subin and hyunwoo laying on one bed together and obviously subin was naked because him and the manager had just had sex) and layed him next to hyunwoo on the only bed in the room. As for hyunwoo being naked and the condoms on the counter, i think he just sleeps naked and that the condoms are there because it's a hotel (don't you think that the scene is a little too convenient? Up to then we're told that Subin wants to be with Hyunwoo which makes you assume that that is the way the story is going to unfold only to find out that hyunwoo is completely opposed to it, then a very convenient sex scene unfolds where it highlights them being naked in bed and condoms on the counter to make us assume they had sex... but if you think about it, why would they have had sex? Subin had just kissed Hyunwoo and hyunwoo's reaction was to get PISSED and punch him in the face... how would they have had sex? He even says the kiss "sobers him up" because he got so pissed, so it's not like he was drunk enough to have sex with him... There isn't even straws to grasp at there so i don't get why so many people still ship them.). I believe the manager gave hyunwoo the creme when he dropped off subin and the reason hyunwoo avoids subin so much in the last few chapters is because he feels guilty for basically giving away his friend's virginity to some random guy he doesn't know just to get him out of his hair for a night, even if that wasn't what he'd intended. Imagine if your friend was bugging you drunk so you sent them off with some guy that you assumed they knew pretty well because they were sending text messages to him only to have him come up to you the next morning talking about his asshole hurting and how he'd definitely had sex... You would have sent your virgin friend off to be fucked in his drunken state to avoid the inconvenience he would've caused you for ONE night.
Given the evidence however your story is less possible than the former . It requires a lot of assumptions. We don't know that Hyunwoo sleeps naked and, yes, the condoms could have just been there, but it's definetely an odd coincidence. Also, we don't know if Hyunwoo would be that carefree to leave Subin with a stranger.
What would be weird about condoms being openly available at a hotel in a manga? Also, i brought forward that Hyunwoo had seen the texts from the manager to Subin, so he isn't a "stranger". Hyunwoo sleeping naked was just something that would explain why he was naked next to Subin that morning, it's the same to ASSUME that since they're naked next to each other in the morning that they had sex...
I feel like you are too closed minded about other possibilities and, possibly, have gotten convoluted in your own story (?) lol my original statement was that we do not know either way what happened. I just thought, in my opinion, that your theory is far-fetched, but it is still possible he could have slept with the manger. Also I did not assume that Hyunwoo and Subin had sex, I just said that it was a possibility.
In the same way you were trying to say it was a possibility i was trying to show you what I think to be a more likely possibility and gave reasons that i believed to explain why it is more likely, i don't know why this turned into you saying i'm closed minded as it's not like i'm saying anyone else is wrong or that it's impossible that hyunwoo and subin had sex... that was extremely rude of you out of nowhere and i suggest you learn to debate without taking it too personally.
What just happened was, i gave a theory, you responded to the theory with counter-arguments based on the story so far and then i responded to your response with my own counter-argument also based on the story to which you responded with "you're closed minded" which is ridiculous as we'd been having a perfectly respectable conversation up till that point. MY point was that i believe my scenario is much more logical, to me its either subin had sex with the straight guy who had shown NO interest in him up till now or subin had sex with the confirmed Bi/gay manager who HAD shown interest in him and the only evidence towards subin having had sex with hyunwoo is the scene where they wake up next to each other and the scene with the creme, to which i gave multiple scenes that should more than explain why i feel like my theory makes more sense. I didn't just throw something together, i gave in-manga scenes to back what i was saying. You responding to this with insults just makes me think you don't have a proper retort and that you're backing out with a parting jab. Bye, i guess.
lol I think you took what I had said in the wrong way. By "closed minded" I meant that you seemed super fixated on your theory and I've seen it in other people's threads as well. And if you are talking in the sense of debate then you are very hard to convince, which is not a bad thing though. I didn't take anything personally and I'm sorry if what you thought I said was rude, I even agreed to both possiblilites that were presented, but I was doubtful at your evidence since it seemed a little faulty (but eleborate regardless, which also is a pretty good quality). Again, sorry for any misunderstandings.
Oh really, i'm assuming that english isn't your mother tongue then as thats the only way that you could think: "I feel like you are too closed minded about other possibilities and, possibly, have gotten convoluted in your own story (?)" and "I just thought, in my opinion, that your theory is far-fetched" isn't insulting. You just blatantly told me that i'm closed minded about other possibilities and then told me that you think my theory is "far-fetched" without giving any reasons why or any scenes within the manga to back it. Your only counter to my whole theory was that it relies upon a lot of assumptions, which was a ridiculous statement as i gave in manga evidence that could lead to any of these things happening. I explained the 'waking up next to each other' scene to give my theory more standing by explaining that they had gotten a hotel room together so of course they're on the same bed and there're condoms available (if you want to deny that condoms are always readily available at hotels in manga, then feel free but...). I explained that the reason hyunwoo would've called the manager was because he'd previously seen the texts sent to subin by such manager and had probably assumed they were close as all the texts were about meeting up again so it's not "strange" for him to call someone he thinks subin knows personally to take care of him while he's drunk. Normally the red head takes care of him, but he got drunk so he can't do it. It just plain makes more sense for the confirmed gay/bi guy to have had sex with subin so i'm acknowledging this as the more likely scenario, i'm not saying it's impossible that anything else happened. Also, you say that i don't easily accept any other situation, but have you pleading the case of any other situations with in-manga proof? I'm telling you that i think my scenario is the case because it seems the stronger case to me because of the things i've mentioned.
Hmm, I did give you reasons earlier as to why it was far fetched, but I guess I was sort of vague, but doing so would require me to write and essay, and I don't really have time for that, but I can tell anyways: your first assumption was that Hyunwoo sleeps naked and that has not be proven anywhere in the manga, so that is basically faulty evidence, second assumption you made was that Hyunwoo would even allow his drunk friend to go with anyone, whether gay or not. I don't really have time to write the rest right now.Funny how you are attacking me though after I apologized. Maybe you should take things less personally and stop repeating the same argument.
I don't have time to play the blame game with you, feel free to stop responding if all you're going to do is complain and tell me my theory isn't likely without giving any real reasons. I already explained that i just said hyunwoo sleeps naked COULD be a reason that he's on the bed naked next to subin, i was just stating that it is one of many possible reasons. I didn't even say that was the case either, here, i'll quote myself: "Hyunwoo sleeping naked was just something that would explain why he was naked next to Subin that morning" this is taken from my 'what would be weird about condoms in a hotel?' response. You've still yet to give any in-manga instances to back anything you're saying, all you're saying is that i'm "assuming" things, to which i've already replied that i based my "assumptions" on in-manga instances. Considering you're criticizing me for "repeating the same argument" you sure do say the same thing like a broken record... I wasn't "repeating the same argument", i was breaking down the parts where you thought i was "assuming" and showing you the instance IN THE MANGA that make me "assume" what i do. I can't believe you're even saying that i was attacking you, that was indignation on my part because you randomly got all rude with me (personally, i think this is because you had no response you could muster with any in-manga instances to back it so you decided to attack me and run away). I won't reply to your next message so don't even bother, you'd be a waste of my time.
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Looks like you won this one. Hyunwoo mentioned him bleeding that day, he then blushed and tried to make up a lame excuse, the cream Subin found is not cream you would use on your mouth as Subin pointed out. It's all adding up. Hyunwoo has no experience with guys. He probably would make him bleed. If it was the office guy he would probably know what he's doing and not cause that. Mystery solved. Time to pack it up guys.
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