Mm..

Please explain how she CHOSE to remain ignorant.? That's confusing.. And it's not her responsibility or fault that people suffered. It's sad, but that's not on her. If you talk about how she lived, why wouldn't she live the way she was brought up and thought of as normal and didn't see the evil man behind the curtain. It happens, it doesn't make it her fault.

Wow, that's some pretty lofty comments.. I beg you to stop being so condescending to everyone who doesn't feel the same way as you do about this .

Hypothetically, if I told you right now that every time you said the word 'chose' someone fainted from horrible pain. Why would you suspect it to be true? It's not within your understanding of the world. You have the power to search that out to be true, but why would you even think to do it? When you find out, you would feel terrible.. Hindsight creates the guilt you see in her character, and that is the layers and nuance of this story imo. She grieves for those that suffered because she DID NOT KNOW. That would be natural. It's not a fair feeling imo, but it's human nature. You might have all the reactions she is going through... but that never made it something she willfully did.

Rofl. Birds of a feather truly stick together, you aren't even listening to any of the actual points made and you're only going on and on with your opinion without bothering to listen to the other side. Mind you, the story itself says that Anette is guilty, Anette herself says that she feels guilty and that she could've done something, the story tells you that she is at fault for being ignorant. A good portion of you can't critically consume this story in the way it is meant to be consumed because you're so caught up in your opinion and refuse to acknowledge that being ignorant IS bad. I am not being "condescending" because you "don't feel the same way I do" about the manhwa, this isn't even about the manhwa anymore. That response was a direct critique to that person's mindset since they were advocating that being ignorant is OKAY.

That is NOT the case and only ignorant people can say that ignorance is fine. Just like that person, YOU share that mindset and the reason why you both see me as "condescending" and "mean" is because I am saying that you guys don't understand the story, hence why you think Anette is 100% innocent. The situation is not white or black, it is GRAY. This situation is GENUINELY so mind boggling to me. It feels like talking to a person who thinks abortion should be illegal and them telling me to "respect their opinion" despite their opinion being harmful and morally wrong.

She didn't choose to talk to the sister of the brother whose life her father tarnished?? Mind you the brown haired woman was outside their gate yelling and protesting and begging to talk to FL, FL KNEW something weird was going on but chose to not talk to that lady. This is literally also stated in the story about one of her biggest regrets. I'm begging you to reread the story and look at all the passages of Anette feeling immense guilt for being ignorant and the amount of times she thought of "If I had just done something else, could this have been changed/avoided?" Even Anette knows she's guilty, the story says she's guilty BUT ALSO A VICTIM, and you guys seem to think that saying she's guilty means she's not a victim when in truth NO ONE here said that Anette wasn't a victim, it's just that she is also GUILTY.

Unironically, you just explained how she wilfully chose to be ignorant by saying "Why would you even think to do it?" It is exactly because she didn't think of doing anything that she chose to be wilfully ignorant. She could've talked with the brown haired lady who was calling out for her before, but she chose not to, no? She decided to go back in her mansion and despite feeling unsettled and nervous, she chose to ignore the situation at hand because she wanted to just ignore it and be comfortable. At school, if you choose to be on leave, it is your responsibility to ask your classmates about what happened throughout the day, no? Say you only find out about a project one day before its deadline and you're too late, you find out that the project was explained when you were absent, you talk to the teacher and say you "didn't know because you weren't there" the teacher will most likely not accept that excuse and will instead chastise you for not asking your classmates, friends, or even your teachers about what you missed that day. THAT is your responsibility. It is your responsibility to find out what happened during that day because you are AWARE that you missed school that day.

Your mindset is harmful. I said it to that other person and idgaf I'll say it to you too. What you're advocating for enables people to remain ignorant solely because "knowing makes you sad and makes you feel guilty". White men should know about their privilege. Americans should know about their history and the things their government has done. People in third world countries should research on the people they choose as their leaders and they should know whether their government is doing anything or are just being corrupt. Excusing ignorance by saying "But you have no reason to do it" and "Why would you even think of doing that" isn't a good thing. When you vote for a president, you have to look at their policies, what they've done, their background, and more. Why? Because it WILL affect you as a citizen. Likewise, Anette should've been more curious about her father and how he ruled because the money she used was her father's and because she was the daughter of a monarch, she directly impacted the lives of commoners too.

LOL, puh-lease, your arrogance knows no bounds. The 'internet ' is giving you permission to judge someone? Wow, that's powerful...but I think you ought to own it, it's your own sense of superiority. The fact that you think you are 'correcting' someone.. geesh. Your using a quote by a poet to prove something? For the love of god, please take a look at yourself first.

You’re choosing to judge things solely on your own perspective and not even listening to the other side. And when you get called out, you tell them to stop judging you and that they’re arrogant and have a sense of superiority? Please be serious and stop being immature

I don't feel judged.. I am offended for the commenter who spoke their opinion and was told they needed to 'educate' themselves, that their view is 'narrow and shortsighted', that they have a ' lack of social awareness', that they are being told they are like someone who doesn't understand racism and misogyny is bad, that the 'structure' of how their opinion was written was bad, haha. And I could go on and on with the insults that have been hurled at people who don't agree with you. Your critical thinking is flawed, it's clear. "Sin" is different things for different people. Not everyone believes as you . The comment section , like the internet, is filled with people who don't claim English as their first language. It's also filled with all different ages, and you don't know who you are admonishing, and I don't see why you think you have the right to do so. Here's a quote for you to ponder that, you know, goes around... " the more you learn, the less you know". Ponder it, people who think they know everything, can't learn new things.

Do you genuinely think saying that being ignorant is okay is a good mindset to have. It's so ironic for you to call me condescending and arrogant for "using a quote" when you're turning around and doing the exact same things you accused me of doing. Notice how you're saying my critical thinking is flawed in response to my comment calling that person's mindset harmful (when it is)? Stop being a hypocrite and telling me "I have no right" to be criticizing others when you're doing the exact same thing with me.

I am criticizing you , true. I called you out.. you aren't an innocent.. You dumped on innocents who just expressed an opinion. I used your own tactics against you to show you how it feels. Using your own words often, and your techniques in my responses to try and shine a light on those repugnant gaslighting words your rained down on others. I don't deny it, at all. I guess we're done now.. I'll mute..

You're not getting ANY of OP's points omfg... I don't even think you're even bothering to read and comprehend them... It's like arguing with a wall . This is NOT the clapback you think it is. OP raises such interesting perspectives with regards to the manhwa, such a shame that some people are not willing to see another perspective without being "offended".

I was never offended for myself.. I guess you didn't read my comments. I was offended for the person who just expressed THEIR opinion and was answered by this person telling them ' to educate themselves', inferred the commenter couldn't understand racism or misogyny, they said their opinion was 'narrow and shortsighted' , they accused the commenter of having a 'lack of social awareness' and went on a rant about who can afford to go to college!And there were so many more insults that! All this arrogance poured on someone who simply expressed their opinion. NOT me, someone else. You don't find it insulting and arrogant that they said in their first comment that 'most all ' of the readers couldn't understand the nuance and complexity of the story? What a high horse this person rides. And you defend them..I don't agree that the FL is guilty, it's my opinion.. That's my point of view and moral compass. I don't blame people for something they didn't do. It's okay if we differ in opinions. BUT I didn't find it ok that the OP smacked down someone else who expressed their opinion with lofty, gaslighting... acting so superior. If that's okay with you, then I feel you don't understand what's going on here, or shall I group you with the person who places their opinion as the only right one and every one else are ignorant, lowly educated dolts if they don't agree?

She chose to remain ignorant because she wasn’t interested in the lives of her and her father’s people because it didn’t concern her. If she had any want to step outside and see what others were going through, she would’ve learned. But she didn’t care. She remained ignorant and pampered. She even stated it herself. She CHOSE to be ignorant. That’s what willfully ignorant is.

Sure, she didn’t choose who she was born to or how she was raised but she had no interest in knowing because she was happy in her own bubble. Therefore, she was willfully ignorant. Hope that helps.

Further, the ML in this story committed atrocities, and then laid out a plan and seduced and lied to someone to get them to fall for him, killed their father, then proceeded to be cruel and emotionally abusive until the woman tried to kill herself , twice. NOT ONE single word against him are either you or the OP making your stand on . I just wonder why the OP went after the FL so hotly, and said she was as guilty as her father? I find it odd.
The OP wants to go on a tangent and whip people saying they don't understand class, politics, gender, education, sin etc because they don't agree with their pov... and they clearly say they have the right to do so. I understand the story, I have already said , imo, it's human nature when finding out something too late, that in hindsight your mind tries to think what you could have done, to assume blame. But that doesn't make it right or logical. The story isn't saying she is guilty, she feels it and assumes it as part of the story. She has seen horrible things, and been treated horribly, and her mind is set on atonement. Trying to find a comfortable way to live. That is one of the nuances of the story imo, is she guilty? My opinion is no, yours and the OP is yes. We could talk about the gray areas, but the OP is too filled with their own ego and takes the opportunity to belittle people who don't agree with them. So, it totally brought out my protective side.

This is so dumb. I thought you said you muted this already? If you actually read my replies without your eyes closed, you can see that your wording for things is already off.

1) I said she was guilty like her family, not AS GUILTY AS her father. I literally expounded on this in the replies and repeated this point.

2) The reason why I started talking about political and contemporary issues is because this story is also incredibly tied to that. This story depicts a lot of dark themes and events that can have their own modern version. Orphans getting abducted and turned into child soldiers for the kingdom, things like that can have an equivalent in our real life if you KNOW what are some of the issues currently happening.

3) My replies where you said I'm "belittling" and "insulting" another person is because it is literally true that being ignorant is wrong? Their stance was that being ignorant is okay (because they didn't get the quote, so I EXPLAINED it for them), and that person was the one who started talking about sin because they didn't get the meaning of the quote I said? Literally all I did was explain things to them and talk about how their mindset is harmful because it IS you are just not willing to listen to me.

4) "The OP is filled with their own ego and belittles everyone that doesn't agree with them," you're the one who has been continuously insulting me, justifying it by saying I'm a "bad" person when all I did was explain to someone how their mindset was bad when it is? You got offended on someone's behalf because I called out how their moral compass should not be the way that it is? YOU are the one who's filled with your own ego because not ONCE have I insulted YOU or the person you got offended over. All I did was express my opinion and WORRIES over their way of thinking, you saw this as me belittling them when I clearly say that "I don't mean this in a rude way" and have repeatedly used the word "please" in my replies.

There are not enough words in the dictionary to even give meaning to the feeling that bubbles up in me whenever I see one of your replies. You constantly insult me, judge me, and analyze me and justify it by saying I'm a bad person but then you proceed to turn around and say that me criticizing one's mindset is being "rude" and that I'm "comparing them to terrorists" when all I did was give out rhetorical questions to further prove my point on how being ignorant isn't a good thing at all. You're a hypocrite and a liar too, it seems. You have done nothing but spew insult after insult, offense after offense justifying it by painting me as a bad person who's done terrible things when in fact all these "terrible things" are my words that you didn't even manage to comprehend and understand and painfully misconstrued. Do you not see how stupid it is to claim that you're just "doing what's right" by insulting me and being rude to me simply because you don't understand my replies and you can't comprehend the fact that criticism is not belittlement? God forbid I tell someone that their mindset is harmful because saying that being ignorant is okay can actually lead to them having terrible perspectives on ongoing issues.

Get my name out of your mouth, mute this thread, and for once LEAVE me alone. You make me feel disgusted, you've been continuously harassing me through words and claiming that I did the same when not once have I spew out such vulgarities to other people and the only thing I did was show CONCERN because once more, their mindset IS harmful.

You're a terrible and disgusting person, I hope you know this. Mute this thread and leave me alone. And before you make another useless clapback about how I'm "insulting" and "offending" you, use your head and reread your replies because I'm only returning the energy you gave me. You're fucking filthy, leave me the fuck alone

I muted you.. We will never agree.. and I am done.. I was responding to someone who said I didn't understand you.. btw, I didn't read anything you wrote above, so it's a waste of both of our time.