The hell????

Maybe because the story is actually amazing with well written characters despite the only bit of SA

Dude the way I cackled, like bro are you hearing yourself???

Yes I am. Are you really trying to convince me, someone who read the entire manhwa + the raws 17 times and the novel 3 times that this sucks just be abuse of the tiny bit of SA that takes up 2 panels at the beginning and beats no significance to the plot? Bbfr, do you really want to argue with me on why this manhwa is good despite the one bit of SA?

Listen I like this webtoon but ‘it’s just a little attempted r*pe’ is crazy

I’m not going to justify his actions, what I’m saying is that you shouldn’t judge the quality of the webtoon based on the 1 but if SA. It would be different if he did it repeatedly. But that’s literally the only time he does that in the entire plot. And this person is asking why we are reading it which is my point on this still being good despite having that piece of SA

Not trying to pick a fight, but I think it’s kind of irresponsible to phrase it like that. For some people even one attempted SA is, understandably, one too many. Thats their boundary, telling them ‘just ignore it/it was just the one time’ feels like trying to downplay the severity of an assault because YOU like the perpetrator and it’s convenient to pretend like it never happened.

That said, consent stuff is different for everyone, and while it was gross it IS important to me that the line wasnt completely crossed. If it was, I wouldn’t be able to let it go either. But since it wasn’t, I can chalk it up in my head as an oily narrative moment where we see that the ML is a bit of a seedy douche, rather than a full on crime.

I get what you’re saying. And okay I shouldve worded it differently but I wasn’t trying to down play it. I’m sorry if that’s what it sounded it. What I’m trying to say is that compared to the entirety of the rest of the plot, that SA bears no significance. (I’m not trying to say the SA itself is not significant I’m saying when looking at the plot it’s not significant, it’s unnecessary) and people shouldn’t be judging the entirely of the rest of the plot based on this.

If that SA means something to you or to others, that understandable but still it’s not going to change the plot despite how it may affect the readers viewpoint. What I was trying to say to OP is that I myself was reading it s cause despite that SA, the plot and characters are still very well written.

TLDR; nothing against the story, I don't wanna miss out bc u r a weirdo (not the fun kind), but as a SA survivor who still thinks ab all those 'lil bit of SA', i can say ur behavior is giving crazy kpop fan

Listen, I acc found this manhwa thru the discussion posts bc u kept posting ab it on there and I was like o look at tht passion, that's cool now I wanna read it. I was gonna ask for SA warnings bc as someone who went thru multiple traumatic SA experiences, I need them. I spiral if I don't have them. If I hv the warnings most of the time I'm fine or I'll just choose not to start in the first place. I was just gonna read the book but then I saw ur comment to OP, I acc felt like vomitting, NOTHING is just a 'lil bit of SA', that's the shit tht apologists say to u when u try to point out their fave's problematic behavior (looking at u kpop fans). I hv acc had ppl say tht shit to me when I would tell them tht their fave teacher tried to put his hand on my boob ('didn't he just graze tho??'). ' I don't care how many times you've read the story (bffr bro who cares, again its like do yk how long I've known X idol, tht experience only happened ONCE tht doesnt make them a bad person), it could genuinely be a good one I'm not saying it isn't, what I am saying is tht u, sir, r icky.

PS words can cause pain, just like u wouldn't say this 'one bit of SA' shit in person (I hope u don'), maybe avoid doing tht online. Also, I tried to keep my words as gentle as possible bc idk ur age but this type of weirdness about a story is um??? Not great???

(not sure if you blocked me or not But let me try and clear this anyways)
When I said "a bit of SA" I meant "a bit of SA" compared to the rest of the story, not that it's little. The entire story is long af and compared to that that "bit of SA" is about 0.1%. thats what I meant by "a bit". I'm not trying to undermine any sort of sexual assault. I'm sorry I should've worded it differently and I'm sorry all that happened to you. You can view it as harshly of an impact as you want on the story, but the fact still stands it bears to significance to the plot itself, that's what I meant to say.

I get that you're upset and I'm sorry for offending you with my words, but it is not my intention to undermine any sort of sexual assault. OP asked how we are reading this despite there being SA in there and my point still stands that that SA is not essential to the plot and thus does not make the story any worse. However, if you choose to view it more deeply, I get that and I'm sorry all that happened to you. But, compared to the rest of the story it is not an element that would be touched up upon nor will it happen again.

Again, babes i didn't say anything about the story. A story is a story, as an avid book reader since I learned to read, I can say tht no matter how much u love a story and as important as it feels to u (MDZS for me), it's not real life however the person tht u r saying these things online does exist in real life as a human person. They said smth to tht story online is not gonna harm the story (ya maybe it'll turn some ppl off but thts just how stories and media runs, even critics bring ppl in u never know who would read it out of spite either), however u posting this online for other REAL ppl would harm someone. I'm saying tht and I'm holding ur hand here, ur behavior ab it is weirdd. Bro i read Waterside Night bc of the character development and tht story has some of the worst rape I've seen in manhwa (most of which I was able to skip bc of warnings n truly ppl like this who would point out why they had to stop reading). I am not ab to argue ab why rape or SA is completely unnecessary and STUPID to add in most bls, what I am saying tho is talk to someone irl, drink some water, maybe think ab why this type of comment at another person doesn't get solved w a 'i made an oopsie w the way i said tht' bc that's not how it works. Ik we all think tht these r just rando strangers and being online makes rl seem so far away, but these r real ppl with real lives, and u don't know how u could inadvertently deeply harm someone u care ab some day bc you make brash and ruthless ways of speaking a daily thing online.

I'm giving u the benefit of the doubt and, again, u might be too young idk, but I'm saying this can hurt someone irl so think before u write online about sensitive matters tht might harm someone

Anyways u seem nice enough just learn to keep a handle on ur obsession before it leaks onto other sectors of ur life as well. Spend some time with ur friends and family, rest ur mind for a bit, idk if ur like the moderator or smth but good things exist out of this too.

Okay you're right I don't understand. I'm not trying to undermine any sort of SA here and I'm truly trying to understand this from your point of view. You want me to think about when I said " a bit of SA" right? Believe me when I say I've been thinking about this the entire day and what I'm saying may be wrong here. I get that when I said it it might offend or be harmful to people that are sensitive to this subject, what I don't understand is why this might be an issue if I'm comparing the amount of SA in this story to the full story itsself. If I was saying "oh it's just two panels of him putting his dick on his mouth and it's just that" I understand why people may be upset because I am then undermining the issue of sexual assault (which is why I believe people might be upset). But I am not trying to do that am I am simply saying that when it is in the rest of the story, it brings to significance, story wise, and not that the SA itself is not significant.
I understand what you're trying to say that my comment of it not being significant to the story might be significant to others that might be more sensitive to the subject and I get that. People can think of it as significant as they want, they might be more affected to this matter and it might stay in their heads for the entirety of the rest of the story. But I am simply stating that despite this happening, the story can still be good. Or maybe that's why you're upset. that I tell people that despite the SA the story can still be good. (like you said, I might still be too young to understand). In that case I'll be more mindful from now on. but I do enjoy the story very much so sometimes I just can't sit back and have people say the story is ass just by reading 3 chapters alone without knowing anything.

You may be right, after this discussion maybe I'm getting to deep into this and read way too much brain rot and really need to go touch grass. ╥﹏╥

Listen, stories can feel very real sometimes, I had a period in my life where I thought tht the only thing keeping me going was Mo Dao Zu Shi, so much so tht when ppl would point out how problematic the depiction of the rape kink and LWJ not stopping when WWX told him to was in the story and how the show was better, my blood pressure would go through the roof. I would be like well thats in the side stories, do you know how long the story is, its legit not EVEN A PART OF THE MAIN STORY. While the SA may be short compared to the rest of the story, its still important to acknowledge even tht much might make a person get the ick and that they are valid for reacting this way. I'm not exactly upset bc you said just a lil bit of SA in comparison to the full length can still make it a good STORY, your comment is upsetting becsuse you could have simply written, "for anyone new here, there is SA in the first few pages, while I love this story and don't believe tht the SA is tht significant and can be skipped, please keep this in mind if you decide to start the story as well." There is no need to get mad at or shame ppl who don't want to read a story for valid reasons. People who read like pedo tragedy stories after seeing the tags and then get mad tht the story includes a pedophile, I can understand why others would get mad at tht bc that's a huge part of the story but in this case there are no tags and as you said it doesnt rlly add anything tht to the story so maybe when it came they felt too disgusted to believe tht the story is good. I was 17 or 18 when I first read MDZS and as much as I still adore it I hv also learned a lot ab life, I don't rlly know what's going on in the life of someone who decides to hate the entire book bc of the sa, no matter how short SA scenes r compared to the book they can still impact ppl + may ruin the entire story for some and, finally, some ppl will love the book and some ppl will hate it, if it's for smth like SA it's better to just simply give a word of warning about ppl who are sensitive to these matters.

As real a story feels to u it is still fiction and does not exist beyond past tht

I think so, maybe you kind of formed a parasocial relation with it or maybe you're using it escape certain things in ur life (me during MDZS) but I think its important to take a look around ur life and acknowledge some good things in tht as well

Alright, I see what you're saying now. I get it, I'll give people a warning next time. I got ahead of myself because I've seen stuff like OP's post way too many times. But it's as you said, there are still people that might be affected so I'll be more careful from now on and get in touch with reality. ╥﹏╥

Also, to clarify pedo tragedy refers to stories where one of the characters r SAed by pedos and they show the story of their survival and trauma after (tht Maria story thing- can't rmr name rn), I do NOT mean CP or pedo fetishizing stories like Lolita

Yea man, and phrasing it like a warning to newcomers may encourage ppl more! Also, I think I'll try the manhwa, do u think u could answer the questions in the next comment for me? I just wanna be sure I can handle it before I read it, I don't this for most manhwa i start