What the fuck?

Idk tbh because he even said he didn't hate having sex with him and he likes him

What did you expect?

Yeah, I know... I just think that MinJae deserves a better guy ;_;

Meh, I dunno.. It's complicated (￣▽￣)

I know right!! At no point did they properly address the trauma being raped would have given him, nor did he ever scold him. Probably because if they show how wrong it is, then the legitimacy of their relationship is in jeopardy. So the author says he really 'enjoyed' it because he liked him but lord... it doesn't matter if you like somebody or not. The whole point is that they are having sex with you by force when you don't want it, and even if that is with somebody you have feelings for, it's still extremely traumatic. Since this is the yaoi world, sadly we just have to get used to it but at least one scene with an apology would be nice.

You're missing the point, Minjae literally says in the manga that he never really minded the sex and actually likes hyeonjoe (however you spell that), in other words there WAS NO RAPE. The only point that you can actually call rape is when Minjae is sick and Hyeonjoe thinks Minjae spread the rumor. For it to be rape the character CANNOT want it, Minjae says himself that he didn't actually mind it and since he wasn't against the sex it wasn't rape. Don't mistake this as me saying "he liked it so it wasn't rape" that'd be twisting my words, i'm saying that rape is sex that the person doesn't want and Minjae canonically says in the manga that he "didn't actually mind it".

Yes, but at no point did he give consent. Perhaps in the end he did come to enjoy it but Hyeonjo would have NO IDEA since he's not a mind reader. All he knows is that he forced himself on somebody who said 'no' numerous times. Secondly, you're contradicting yourself. Your whole argument is that he liked the sex so it wasn't rape but then you go and tell me that's not what you're saying. Now, I can totally understand where you're coming from, but if you pick a side then stick with it because now your intent is unclear.

Lastly, I never said he didn't think those things because yes, canonically he was written to be this way. I'm looking at it realistically. If you read the whole last part of what I wrote, I don't mention his or Hyeonjo's name once. Why? Because I'm talking about real-life scenarios, NOT THE STORY. This becomes evident when I refer to the manga again at the end with 'since this is the yaoi world' - I'm fully acknowledging that in the manga, it isn't portrayed as a problem. I'm simply being critical of it because you can't deny that the fictional content we see influences our behaviour in the real world, and something like this could be really unhealthy in terms of normalising/glorifying predatory behaviour. Yes, we can read it and enjoy the story but we also need to take a step back and acknowledge that this behaviour isn't acceptable in real life.

I'm pretty sure he will apologize, and he doesn't seem traumatized he still cares abt him and yea in real like ppl might be but in the story he doesn't care because he rlly likes him

A) I never said he wouldn't, just that he hadn't so far. B) I said 'would have given'. I didn't state that he was traumatised (or that he didn't like him for that matter) but that realistically, being in that situation /would/ make you traumatised. That is all.

It is canon that there was consent, Minjae saying he "never actually minded it" means there was consent, it doesn't have to be said for it to be there. You have no standing on your "he was raped" stance.

Also, my argument wasn't that "if you liked it, then it wasn't rape" my whole argument was that "if its not rape, then it isn't rape.", the argument "if you liked it, then it wasn't rape" can be interpreted as that if you feel good at any point during the sex then it isn't rape, even if it started as rape. MY entire point was that there wasn't rape to begin with and i even gave in manga proof, there is no reason for you to be complaining about rape in real life on a comments section for a manga that doesn't have rape in it.

Guys don't get to serious about the "rape" like "This is not okay this is rape no consent disgusting *and so on with an essay*" it's kinda funny but a bit much don't bring in real life situations too much into this in the story he is NOT scared of him for it, he is NOT traumatized, and even if you say he's raped him multiple times that is NOT Correct because it was never not enjoyable for him he even said he doesn't scared him HELLO he said he likes him, the "rape" isn't that serious so I feel a sincere sincere apology would be okay

That last sentence makes no sense lol. And no, consent was never given. While he did end up enjoying it, which doesn't make it rape, he never said 'yes'. In fact he said the opposite. So yes, I agree he didn't 'mind it' and thus it wasn't really rape, Hyeonjo isn't able to magically read his mind and realise that so his actions are extremely iffy (to go ahead and have sex with somebody who had been saying no again and again).

I don't even know where to begin with this comment oh my gosh... re-read what you've written and check that it can be understood before you post it. Then also re-read my comments to check that A) you aren't continue to bring up things that have already been addressed and B) you are responding to what I actually said, not what you THINK I said in whatever subtext you're conjuring in your mind. Thank you for clarifying that though, I understand your argument now. However, as for your last point, I can't see why you're trying to silence me on this? First of all, Minjae does get sexually assaulted and in the scene where Hyeonjo has sex with him when he's sick, that is by far the most graphic. In that instance, he didn't express enjoyment AT ALL, even in his monologue. So yes, the topic of rape/consent/sexual assault is relevant to this manga because it has so many gray areas, that warrant discussions like this one. Secondly, like I said - since it touches on those topics, it 100% starts a conversation on these topics in real life. Why? To repeat myself, the content we are exposed to is extremely important in shaping our morals and ideas. So I did say that it is okay to read this manga and enjoy the story but stay realistically critical where we should be.

okay here we go again :) I didn't say it WAS rape, and I didn't say it was not okay - I said that Minjae never gave consent so while he DID enjoy the sex, Hyeonjo had no way of knowing that which is a bit iffy. Do you think this story exists in some vacuum in space, never to have any relation or contact with the real world...? The content we are exposed to, even fictional content, affects the way we might think and what we consider to be okay. Now, this varies person to person but it is definitely true. Therefore, real life situations are relevant to the discussion since this is about topics touched on by the story itself. I did not say he raped him multiple times. Why are you repeating yourself? How many times do I have to write this? I DID NOT SAY HE WAS TRAUMATISED. I DID NOT SAY HE WAS SCARED OF HIM. I hope that's the last time I need to say that. And yes, I already said it myself... I said that an apology would be good and I think it would be sufficient.

"I didn't say it WAS rape"----actually, you did, here i'll quote you: "First of all, Minjae does get sexually assaulted and in the scene where Hyeonjo has sex with him when he's sick, that is by far the most graphic."----The only problem with this is that initially this isn't the scene you were talking about, it was actually ME who brought up this scene and admitted that it is the only scene where he is actually raped since he, IN THE MANGA, says that all the other times were okay. Since you've moved onto the only scene that shows any rape, which i gave you for your case, i'll take it that you've finally understood my point that none of the other scenes were rape and as such you can stop with your keyboard warrior act. The ENTIRE point i've been arguing with you this entire time is that the only point in the manga where he gets raped is when he gets sick... you've been trying to say that each time they had sex he was raped and i rebuttled this with in-manga evidence to prove that none of the other scenes were rape. My point has been proven. In addition to this, i also said that you coming on here bringing up real life rape makes no sense because the scenes you're using AREN'T RAPE. You have no standing and i'm honestly done with this conversation, you speak like i don't know what you were trying to say, but to be honest i felt the same way about you. You came across a little... less intelligent. bye.

It doesn't matter how Hyeonjeo (however you spell that) felt... what matters is how the "victim" felt, and since there IS NO victim, as proven in the scene i mentioned, there was no rape. Period.

That wasn't just for you

Yeah, and funnily enough in the quote you gave me, I didn't say anything about rape. I said he was sexually assaulted (and not even by Hyeonjo) and then that the scene Hyeonjo has sex with him when he's sick is graphic but I never said it was rape. You contradict yourself by the way because you tell me that I would be wrong if I was bringing up that scene in the context of rape but then you go and call it rape yourself. Thanks for looking like a complete idiot. First of all, what I initially spoke about encompassed Hyeonjo's sexual behaviour with Minjae in general so yes it does fall under what I was referring to. Secondly, even if I wasn't talking about it before, when you bring something up then the natural thing to do is to ADDRESS IT in my response. And holy crap you really don't get it. I already told you I NEVER SAID ANY OF THE OTHER SCENES WERE RAPE. Jesus Christ, how many times do you need to read my responses before you understand that? Or do you not even read them at all before you reply, because I could actually believe that.

I didn't say that at all and I clarified this several times but I see that you keep trying to make crap up to fit your rhetoric. I'm actually done trying to talk to you since every single time you accuse me of something and I prove to you that I never said those things, you immediately revert to your original argument as if you don't know how to read. Honestly, if you were a little more intelligent and understood my points, you would find that we actually AGREE ON MOST OF THIS ARGUMENT. I honestly don't care if you feel that way. Coming from somebody who can't understand a point when it's presented in plain English and all caps, it's not that hurtful. It's really obvious you're just looking for reasons to argue and put me in the wrong, even when I concede to your points, clarify that I didn't say those things, or even say that I AGREE WITH YOU. I genuinely agreed with you on most things to begin with and thought if I could get you to see what I actually said and not what you think I said, we could reconcile. But instead you've shown me how hell-bent you are on your own little version of events. Come back when you learn how to read.

"Yeah, and funnily enough in the quote you gave me, I didn't say anything about rape. I said he was sexually assaulted (and not even by Hyeonjo) and then that the scene Hyeonjo has sex with him when he's sick is graphic but I never said it was rape."----lol, i'm not here to argue semantics with you... If you'd like to tell me what the difference between sexual assault and rape is in the context we were using the words then feel free... I see my comment about intelligence hurt you since you threw it back at me : D Have you considered that maybe, if i really even wasn't understanding what you were saying, that it isn't because of me, but because you don't know how to word things in a way that is understandable? All i've gotten from anything you've said is "Minjae was raped! Rape irl is horrible!", to which i replied with "why bring up rape in a manga that doesn't feature rape..." and gave you the scene IN THE MANGA that proves there is no rape until he gets sick. You then proceeded to talk about how rape in manga effects how people view rape irl, to which i responded "again, why discuss rape when it isn't included in this manga...?", my entire point in responding to your "manga effects people irl!" statement was to show you that the scenes you mentioned in your first point, that being "Minjae was raped! Rape irl is horrible!", aren't even rape so you're going off on a topic unrelated to the manga and THAT is what makes you look less intelligent....