Why would I hold fiction to the same standards as a tweet. A tweet is a person saying something. A fictional book is a work of fiction. By that argument no one should ever write a book about crime again. Cuz tweeting about killing someone is bad right? So then by your argument we should hold anyone that writes about murder to the same standards.
By your logic.
The Bible is also fictional. And has rape in it. So you can't have both.
No one is defending rape, nor badly written rape scenes. But your comment is that no scenes should ever be put to paper. And why not? Bc it's illegal? Again so is murder.
Murder as a plot device can be used badly too. The dead wife trope is one that comes to mind. Woman in the fridge trope.
Only there to further the plot. We critique those tropes all the time, but they can be done correctly.
I never said it was untouchable and not allowed to be criticized. But good critiques also wait until the full context and story is complete. They look at the whole not the piece. And since this story is not complete... You cannot make a full critique yet.
This is Journalism 101.
And just common sense.
If you want to have this discussion once the story is complete and we both have read it completely, I'm absolutely open to a discussion and a possibility of my opinion changing on how those piece of fiction uses said trope. But I'm not going to cast a judgement until it is complete and I can look at the story arch as a whole. As any good critic would
There has been a misconception. Banning stories that have content that involves certain actions like rape or other horrendous acts was not my intention. I have read stories worse than this, but the storyline was amazing and actually stood by its point, but here ml says one thing and does the other, he says he wants her to be strong and happy but than hurts her, now, in this situation you would think ,if he loves her, then what he is doing it's all for her, making it as a good action when infact he is the problem. Why would you hurt someone you love? We know that if he treats her like what he is doing now, its bad, we can distinguish and call out on mls actions, but the story itself doesn't hold him accountable making it as if he hasn't done nothing wrong. He doesn't like how she was treated by the emperor, this already tells us that there is a perception of bad and evil, but somehow it all rolls over a cliff when ml does it. If I hate the emperor why can't I hate the ml?
Well you're absolutely entitled to your opinion on them but my point is most of the evidence of him being bad is stuff we haven't even seen happening yet. The story isn't over. It's still barely 20+ chapters. My point is more that we wait for things to unfold more before rushing to a judgement. So often I see a new title drop and within the first 3 chapters the comments already have said every plot point and based on how they feel about it can sway a bunch more from not giving it a chance in anyway.
And often I have seen those spoilers be either completely wrong or stripped of all the context the story was going to build up.
Ofc the story hasn't held him accountable yet. We don't even have 30 chapters yet. There's not been Time for him to be held accountable. Stories take time to develop. It won't spoon feed you or tell you what's going to happen immediately.
When you read a book about murderer, do you think of rainbows and strawberries? No, you think about bad people and victims, blood and other terrible things with lots of plot twists. But you in the end know that murdering is bad, and if you read in that story that a man shot a kid you would say that man is bad. That's how it works, just because it's written down doesn't mean it washed off all its meaning. Here ml is awful but somehow they hold him as good and we say he is awful because we know that doing bad things to people makes you a bad person.
I see, and i get it, I have never seen a spoiler that was wrong actually, so I can't say much about that, but here ml is already not a good and I thought that about him before even reading the comments.
I've seen a few in the decade ish I've been on this site. They give a spoiler that's Almost correct but it actually happened in a different way or when the manwha is done they change the ending somewhat. You're allowed to not like him! The newer chapters make me think he's kind of one dimensional but I also know that's just what I'm seeing rn. I can absolutely agree though that this isn't well written in most ways. The progression is choppy and rushed.
I can see how the story could be interesting it's just not being led in a good direction narratively
u keep saying “i'm not defending rape,” but you’re doing a lot of mental gymnastics to protect stories that lean into it before we even get to judge if it’s handled well. nobody said “don’t ever write about rape” or “ban murder stories.” we’re saying: if a pattern in a genre (like obv bl) shows rape repeatedly used as a lazy plot device or romanticized, people are allowed to express concern early— especially when the signs are already familiar. and the “wait until it’s finished” logic only works in a perfect world. u can’t just expect readers to suspend judgment forever, especially if they’ve read dozens of stories and spoilers from the novel itself. good criticism doesn’t require the whole book to say: “this setup looks familiar and concerning.” that is pattern recognition, not censorship. lastly— calling the bible “fiction” to make a point about rape scenes just feels like you’re reaching. you’re not arguing for nuance, you’re arguing for immunity. critique is not censorship. being uncomfortable with how stories handle rape isn’t irrational— it’s what makes us better readers and writers. if u love rapist characters so much because they look good or apparently said 'sorry', u can just say so.
Bro what comment of mine did you read bc I didn't say any of that lmao. Also, nothing like rape has happened yet. Like at all. So idk what you're even referring to. Bc nothing has happened. My OG comment was literally about not posting stories when the story is brand new.
and our point was it's okay for us to be spoiled about what's gonna happen instead of wasting our time reading this crap. do u still don't get it? what's the point of making everyone calm down if the male lead is just gonna be a dick? all that sweet lies just for it to be a let down? if you're eating these kind of set up then you do u, let the people talk shit about how the story is bad.
Holy shit you're STILL going on this??
Seeking out spoilers is not a bad thing. LEAVING out spoilers for anyone to see on a story that JUST started is weird as hell. And has only been something that's happening since 2020. As someone who's older than Google it has always been common sense to not spoil something so new
can we stop spoiling shit before it even has 10 chapters out? most of the time y'all are wrong or just parroting something you saw someone else say in a tik Tok comment section that was a kid misunderstanding the themes of a story.
how about we just let the story progress and read it as it develops