The red head story is ass

Um Hi, it might be hypocrite of me but, i'm not here to offend anyone, nor defend anyone.

First of all, i get your point, and i'm agree with that, actually it opened my mind once again, so thankyou for that.

It's a reality check. Yes, this is fiction, and an indecent one at that. Sometimes ppl just had to get off some steam, and threw morale out the window for these occassion, so when we try to argue, logic doesn't work anymore.

Some ppl need to cool their head and see the others' argument as it is, and not distort or cite only the portion they dislike. Looking back, there's no reason to argue, only rooms for respect each other opinion. It's okay if we think diversely and not agree with each other, but there's no need to attack personally.

I want to say 'just be more mature', but come to think of it, there's big chance that there's a lot of 'minors' here and maybe that's why some comments got worked up over a fair and calm argument.

Anyway, I'm sorry for you to had those rather.. hostile replies. Honestly tho it was a good debate, sorry to say, but i actually enjoy them.

At the end of the day, everyone had the right to both have and voice their opinion. I mean, what's the purpose of comment section, bro?

I mean, dohyeok (the red hair) is literally a jerk, but tbh i read this manhwa bcs of him. Had to admit that 'punishable bottom' trope kinda my preference in this genre. I didn't even read the whole main story part, so I don't even think i had the right to comment that part.

Why didn't I read the main story? coz it's frustating. The plot, the mc too. I don't really like suha, not because he's bad, just the matter of preference, i'm not into twink bottom. Plus, the misunderstandings are so annoying when i read the second side story, like, even when they should be alrd knows each other so well?? But the communication is still that bad?? i can't imagine if i had to endure that for 100+ chapters long.

But there's also another reason as why i didn't read the main story. As i like dohyeok as the 'punishable bottom' trope, It really unbearable to see the character i'm rooting for as an iredeemable bastard who doesn't even regret his wrongdoings in the slighest. So yes, i choose to be blind and close my eyes as it is only a fiction, for the purpose of my own enjoyment.

Still, i hate dohyeok for that part, but also want a continuation in his pov. The unproper closure with siwoo still torturing me, but honestly at this point, it doesn't have to be siwoo. Author can make another character idc, i just want him to find someone he finally could be comfortable with. i still remember i had to swim in au fanfics just to soothe my soul from the heartbreak.

Anyway that's it lol sorry for the long ass comment, just want to voice my opinion.

Thank you. You are so sweet ┗( T﹏T )┛

I chose peace that day and tried my best to not be aggressive. I’m so happy you read my replies and agree with my points. I swear kids (and grown people on the same emotional development level as kids below 10) these days are so mean and have too much freedom on the internet.

I see people like that as hypocrites. They defend one victim by bringing down another victim while advocating for how trauma affects people. Absolutely no media literacy or self awareness.

Thank you again for this warm comment. The interaction above fouled my mood for the next few days, but your comment made my day.

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I love discussions too. That’s why I leave my opinions and love reading other people’s opinions (ofc depending on their approach).

I see nothing wrong with liking the story or the character. There is actually a study on why people enjoy reading dark romance that contain rape or really obsessive love interests. And it’s because people project themselves on the main character that has no choice but to be forced into relationship and feel pleasure from sex, whereas in real life they are ashamed of thinking or enjoying sex. That way women (or man, or non-binary people) can enjoy sex and other things without feeling guilt of being slutshamed from society. Thats one reason. In any case, we all cope in different ways. I was just expressing my bewilderment over how people root for actually awful characters.

That’s how I am almost 90% sure the people who attack other people for similar opinion are kids (or have emotional intelligence of one), because they can’t recognise that you can feel sympathy for someone and still hold them accountable. Kids can’t comprehend difficult topics and emotions like that.

Or maybe people just view ‘bottom’ roles as something feminine, so when the red haired guy became a bottom and experienced all the rape - women started sympathising with him too much, defending him as if he is a woman who got wronged. It’s unconscious thing.

I understand nuances and that in many cases fiction is just fiction. Adult people know how to separate fiction from reality and know that these are not relationship goals. I’m not shaming anyone who enjoy this story (or these types of stories).

I also get your frustration about painting an ‘irredeemable bastard’ character, giving him whole separate extras and STILL remain a bastard without any redemption. Thats why I was frustrated too. I’m tired of authors taking more than they can chew: in this case, writing a villain with a story that makes him at least a little bit likeable. In my opinion, author fucked up by making this character a rapist and an abuser. That already makes him impossible to redeem or like. So the author got themselves into a corner and just decided to use cheap tricks like throwing as much trauma and awful things at him to make him pitiful.

Hi! I came across your reply in my notifications, and honestly, I really liked it. After reading through a lot of replies, I decided to write this, but it seems like I can’t reply using my @/Little Fighter account anymore—looks like someone chose to block me. So I made this new one, not out of spite, but because I believe conversations deserve closure.

I still remember, I cited one by one the statements they made that led to misunderstandings, and I had no intention of attacking them personally, really. I cited everything with the intention to clarify, but it seems like they just got more fired up, like a flame. Some people who show narcissistic traits definitely relate to this. Instead of focusing on the topic being discussed, they often bring in irrelevant things into the conversation—like, “I’m from this major, so I know better,” or “I’ve written amazing pieces that even won awards or were published.” But if they were really calm in their response, why would they bring up their writing achievements or their academic background into the topic? A great lawyer wouldn’t bring up their awards in court. A high-performing police officer wouldn’t mention their good track record during an investigation. The comment section exists for a reason. There’s nothing wrong with someone trying to clarify an opinion—even if, from certain people’s perspectives, it looks like an attack on the people with NPD. If we decide to post a public comment, then we should be ready to engage in follow-up discussions about it.

There’s a comment thinks they’ve responded “calmly.” But if that’s really true, why would they exert so much energy defending their opinion? Acting like they were the bigger person by saying, “I chose peace that day.” But if we read their entire response, there's an underlying energy—a refusal to be wrong—even though I’ve repeatedly explained that I just wanted to clarify things. But they remained stubborn about their stance. Because I was frustrated and didn’t want to drag this out with this kind of people, I apologized. And I quoted something they’d previously said—that they had a mental illness. So I quoted that and sincerely wished them a “get well soon.” Honestly, if they read that with an open mind, they’d think, “Oh, she’s wishing me well. Okay, thank you.” But they didn’t see it that way at all—they kept attacking by saying, “Why are you making it personal?” I swear to God, dealing with people with narcissistic traits is insanely difficult. These are people who always think they’re right—people who attack others personally in a subtle way by calling them childish, kids, crazy, and the like. Maybe they don’t like it when people attack others openly, like I did—but they themselves prefer to judge people personally just because they don’t agree with their opinion.

I also don’t think it’s wrong to assess characters like Dohyeok and other characters here using the “what if I were in their shoes” approach. The answers might be better, the same, or even worse. Everyone has different ways of processing things—some try to understand by thinking, “What if I were them?” while others stay rigid: “If it’s like this, then it’s wrong. It should’ve been like that.” I’ve said before, right from the start, that I’m not defending Dohyeok at all. I just want people to see a bigger picture. Dohyeok really is an awful person—I admit that. Honestly, this is just like when I said “Suha was never raped”—because that’s my perspective. Suha did it out of his own will and awareness. If some people disagree with that point of view, that’s fine. Who doesn’t enjoy discussions? But if people were really calm, they should’ve responded like, “Oh, if that’s what you think, then here’s mine.”

I’ve also said—at the end of the day, it’s up to each person who they want to hate. Some say, “It’s just fiction.” But sorry not to sorry, I think people like this maybe never had a fictional character they truly loved.

As a psychology student–too ... I feel ashamed saying this because I always think, what’s the point in giving so much energy to this, when I can’t even respect the author by buying the webtoon legally? Again, this is for me—if some people are triggered by this, then that’s not my problem. Maybe that’s why I’m skeptical about people who don’t respect the writers—whether good or bad, they still poured their hearts into those stories.

At the end of the day, no human opinion is 100% objective. In the end, there will always be some form of bias—no matter what angle we use. Because even theories in the world are applied based on what problem is at hand. And it’s up to each person how they choose to “see” other people’s comments. I feel guilty—I shouldn’t have gotten this deep into this comment. I truly regret it.

That’s all. I wrote this whole ass essay just because I had time, lol. Thanks for reading.

Says a person who started attacking me personally? I’m not even going to read all that and block you again. I won’t read all that. I write essay - I’m fired up and narcissistic for expressing my opinion for you saying things like ‘Suho wasn’t raped’ which is NOT an opinion or perspective. It’s a fact.

If you want to talk to them - go to DMs and mute this discussion. You can here to start flame again just for the sake of it. Bye.

The also weren’t even replying to you, gorl. Making a new account just to continue to shit on me is crazy and you genuinely need help lmao. I am a human too and you keep coming back to just make my day worse.

I was genuine when I wished you a good day to go and calm whatever is angering you so much in life. Move on. Block me.