so many people [I seen in the comment saction] that still jodge and hate Jiwook/fox withou...

You should watch kodocha to see an example. When people say you demon for a long time, you will become one even if you not! Psychology is an amazing thing XD


No. No no :I. If that were the case, all people would live and act by stereotypes and I would be stealing peoples cars or mugging them right now because people assumed I would and have treated me as if I would before. A more accurate thing to say would be 'sometimes' this happens. But then those sometimes it doesn't mean you're magically absolved from your bad actions. If someone were to treat me like a threat(like I was a mugger to bring up that old example) and I went 'eff all this, everyone treats me like a thug so I will thug it up and mug them!!!!' that doesn't mean that woah be unto me society turned me into a mugger because of the things people say. It would be an explanation to a part of why I decided to flip out and mug someone, but at the end of the day the onus is still on me. I made the decision to do wrong, therefore I was bad. It's not just the action that's bad, it's my personal decision to do that thing that would make me bad in this example.
And whatever involvement JiWook may have had in the death of his brother, HE should be judged and not just his actions based on backstory. And honestly, he made the personal decision to tell his brother he should have succeeded in his suicide. That's called bullying, whatever the reason. Even if he had nothing at all to do with the rape or he was just guilty of standing back and watching (because coincidence only goes so far and he was close tot he prick who had his brother raped. But honestly, it looks like he was involved to some capacity http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos/uu/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos-chapter-33/15/ and the next page as well Accidentally "selling" your brother out to a guy you know is violent is still like... he knew this guy was crazy and violent so...), he still told his suicidal brother who I'm assuming knew what happened to him is... bullying and wrong.

Also...


so you saying what his parents did is a good thing? Rape is not the only way to abuse people. Words can hurt and abuse too! Google it.

Can you please tell me where in the comic it showed that his parents were awful to him and didn't love him? Cause it wasn't at the party where we didn't hear them say anything. And was I the only one to notice no one said anything mean to JiWook and it was simply omission of compliments that made him think that's what they were saying? Like...
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos/uu/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos-chapter-33/39/
the faded bubbles are merely what JiWook thinks they're saying (none of these people are their parents, btw). And the evidence that this is merely his own paranoid thought is this page
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos/uu/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos-chapter-33/45/ because he probably didn't say that, judging by the next page. JiWook is just imagining the insults and more blatant comparisons.

Did they call him names?
THEY NEVER EVER PRAIZE HIM IN HIS ANTIRE LIFE WHILE HIS BROTHER THEY DID ALL HIS LIFE! IS THAT NORMAL TO YOU?!! if it does, then it fuck up!

Please show me the page we see this on (legit, cause I don't remember him saying that at all or it even being a fact), if we need evidence that JiWook was involved directly in the rape then we can't try to make his backstory sadder to make his dickishness look more explainable. We don't see his parents comparing them at all. Not even once with any reliability. The people he assumed were comparing him to his brother were outside sources. We don't know if his parents praised him or not because he never really says it. For all we know it's his imagination again. And further more, in the state of mind JiWook seems to have, parental praise is peanuts and they're required to say them.
So... really when he was a child he was kind of messing himself up and being jealous not abused verbally. His parents, it looks like, are loving and ok people if a bit unobservant. And literally the only time I saw someone say something mean was when the teens asked if his brother was with him. So yeah, I'm sorry, just I'm not buying the abusive household thing because I don't see any evidence :/. JiWook is just a jerk with a complex who had a good home (and parents not being magic mind readers and knowing Everything happening in their teens lives is normal af, not abusive or neglectful. If JiWook didn't want his parents to know he was miserable, he wouldn't let them know, and it seems like he does given how he sugars them up at the beginning of the comic. It's really easy to lie that nothing is wrong, and he clearly thinks he's good at it given how he smiled with those kids even while he thought beneath him).

Anyways, this isn't to say you can't like him for being fairly complex, but like... excusing behaviors for his past only goes so far. It's the things that you decide on your own with your own brain to do that makes YOU and your actions good or bad. Phew, got long...

I think if you were growing up like this, and have isseas like fox had you won't have talk like that. and he still didn't know he really died, since he's bussy with his own pain.
we never seen if he did help or not, I say it again, WE DID NOT SEE WHAT HAPPEN! and even if he did help, in what way did he do that?!
actually Tamin can be much better brother to him, cause he can stood up to him and get his self hate. since he also hate himself XD I actually happy Tamin is there for him.
he have mantel isses, and yeas he isn't an angel but he's not the devil - live with it! he suffer too not less then Tamin.

No, Teamin is much more beautiful! and it has nothing to do with the character building XDD

he lost something he can never get back. think about Anon, I"m sure you get it in the end ╮(￣▽￣)╭

parents and family can abuse their child and the child would believe them. cause they are his family. not in all cases, Tamin didn't cause his mother did love him!

if you can't find it, read the first FOX POV chapters again. fox mantion it that they never did praize him only his brother. and that at first he didn't get what so bad about it and why he felt that way he did. Fox isn't the smart one in the world XD

are loving and ok people if a bit unobservant."
right cause Parents who neglect a child for the sake of the other child are wonderful. whatever say, I can't really talk to you if you don't get how horrible this thing is. how destrctive this thing is!! and it all cause of them. fuck them!! (︶︿︶)＝凸

so they didn't say anything mean to him, only that his brother existence is much better then his. okay, that's not mean at all ~cynical~ yap. it a great way to live when people treat you this way. yap yap whatever you say. if you don't get it, don't get it.

Did I say Taemin is not beautiful. I said that if Jiwook were UGLY, repulsive, he wouldn't be getting all the sympathy, because he acted toward his brother with the same viciousness JooHoon acts, only using third parties and words to do his deeds. But it's the SAME thing--abuse. Jiwook abused SiWon.

He has not paid the price yet. But i hope he pays it hard.

Lololol
Losing what exactly? I dont get it. Siwon?

Same anon. Ups forget to add,you act like a fangirl/boy lmao

no, just from Personal experience in the real world.

<<if you can't find it, read the first FOX POV chapters again. fox mantion it that they never did praize him only his brother. and that at first he didn't get what so bad about it and why he felt that way he did. Fox isn't the smart one in the world XD >>

Jiwook is an unreliable character. Because he says he wasn't praised doesn't mean his parents didn't say nice things. He simply tends to interpret things his way. I'd need to see more through the POV of parents and SiWon, and we don't get that, notice. It may be they were thoughtless or it may be Jiwook sees through a very narrow view.

Notice he says SiWon TOOK his place. He expects to have first place. He expects to be the one praised for doing great things--only he never does great things. He just wants to be credited like SiWon.

When we're in Jiwook's POV, I take him as a type of unreliable narrator because he sees things as extreme. He's either the victim or he's superior and others are beneath him. His POV is tainted.

I think you don't get it cause you never seen what happen in the real world. so I just let you keep thinking what you want.

"Because he says he wasn't praised doesn't mean his parents didn't say nice things."
if they did, he won't felt such strong jealousy that become hate for his brother. if you don't believe him, even if it the truth it's your problam.

I don't need to see the parents POV to see how their "preference" affected the children.
I see you don't get how it is to have brother/sister that got the first place in the parents eyes. it kind of sad ╮(￣▽￣)╭ but I still hope you do understand that preferring one child over the other is wrong! no matter how they do it, it can ruin the family like we seen in this comic.

Jiwook's do have common sense, much more then the other brother. he do have mantel issues but it don't mean he luck common sense and understand who the parents love more. children is very sensitive to things like that, giving one brother more then the other is enough to build that jealousy. and if they never praize him in his life while his brother did got all the praize should build double jealousy and very low self esteem etc...

so let's conclude, jealousy between brother's don't born from the air. it born from the parents that created this. if you refuse to believe, it's your problam.

I've seen it in the real world. I've seen incest and rape and child abuse and alcoholism and drug use and dying from AIDS and siblilng rivalry that turns ugly. Sure.

I'm saying we haven't seen it in THIS story. We're all assuming things based on what's there. But we haven't SEEN it. not you. Not me.

You forget that children can also just be really bad. Evil isn't only in adults. CHildren can be really selfish, mean, petty, vindictive, and big liars. Seen that, too.

I'm saying that because we have not seen POVs and enough childhood context, we can't know for sure what is going on. The author can brnig out mental illness--but that's not necessary so far. He could just be a shitty person. He might have had some really bad traumas with parents--but we haven't seen that yet.

We don't get SiWon's POV (maybe he's not the angel we think he's been).
WE don't get mom and dad's POV.
We only get the POV of a kid who decided that his brother was the source of his life's problems. Unjustly.

So, the author can pull all sorts of things out of the hat, but deciding that the parents were abusive is not justified so far.

well children are just children, they much more honest then adults are. even if it can hurt other kids. they not scared to show what they feel, for good or for worse.

and like I say before, jealousy didn't born from the thin air. Fox POV is very importent in this story, even if you want to ignore it. if they[parents] ignore/ can't see how worse one if their children get until he hung out with punks and smoke, then I would say they not a good parents.

and I never heard of a "good" parents that only praize one of their children and ignore the other. if you want to think fox is laying, think what you want. but I don't think he's laying about everything, we see he is suffer from mantel issues from very young age, and it got worse only cause no one in his life pay attantion or took him to someone to talk too [professional help] in a way it is negligence. he still their child, if they can't even notice one of their children, then I don't want to know what else they didn't take care off.

but I think Fox love them, so he still want their love ^_^ has sad and ironic it is.

Jealousy is born within a person. Jealousy has to be dealt with within the person. Having the feelings is normal, but how you react to them is what says what kind of person you are.

Every human being on this planet has at times--many many times--had envy and jealousy. We all have to deal with it, because there will always be people who get more attention in our families, among our friends, among coworkers.

I think Jiwook had their love. He just decided that something was taken from him that was rightly his. And thatś not true. None of us are owed first place. We gotta earn that. All of us are owed love by our parents, but in this case, I see no sign they didn love both boys. Itś just that one son had more achievements and that was the separator--the thing that made Jiwook realize he was NOT his twin, they were not one unit, they were two people. That was the big shock. Go back and read the chapter. THE REAL shock was realizing they were individuals...and then that his brother was actually better at certain things They were no longer ¨one.¨

You are making all sorts of assumptions about the parents based on one dinner party.

And yet we have many scenes of how evil Jiwook is, and you want to excuse him.

Thatś a strange bias.

let just agree to disagree cause It don't make sense to me that Jealousy born from nothing at all like you said. Jealousy in all humans born from "something". and even if one child get more attention and get more love, he still can be evil and jealous of the other.

I just say what I see from Fox POV, and I like to analyze him cause he too much fun to analyze XDD I think he don't know how to deal with it or his mantel issus. and I think it all start from his jealousy and his parents prefference.

I don't agree the shock come from him finding out they different people, the shock come from the feelings of jealousy that build out in him cause of their parents prefference. and it hurt in a way XD cause I think he love his brother at first, when he was young. he did love him.

No, he noticed that people were talking nice/praising his brother for his accomplishments...and at that moment he realized they were separate, not the same. Before, any praise he interpreted as for both. At that moment, a sense of separation--that his brother was not the same as him--made him feel as if his place was ẗaken away...because his place had been before to be ẗhe same as his brother, now his brother, he decided, was śeen as ¨better"and he as ¨lesser.¨ His resentment came from that. But the point is, we all have to reach that realization as humans. Weŕe not all the same and we aren all popular or beautiful or rich or whatever For a twin...for a twin who saw himself as one with his brother...it was a shock.

And if you don think that jealousy, selfishness, etc, are inborn...well, sorry, we will have to disagree. I beileve this is why we have social and moral training: to control the inherent selfish and dark impulses of human beings and to bring out and develop their inherent understanding of what is good. You have to teach kids to share. You don have to teach them to be selfish. You have to teach kids to be honest. You don´t have to teach them to lie.

you mixing many different things that not really fit to how fox react. he got sick, he wanted to poke and he run away. to me it show us that he don't know how to deal with it and what to do, and it was too intense to be just some "he took my place" all of sudden out of nowhere[what don't make sense]. and he did say he "try" to ignore the fact he wasn't getting any praize while his brother does get praize, which mean it did bother him from the very begning XD he just ignore it until that dinner. BUT IT WAS THERE!! in the background.

kids get Jealous for many stupid things, and they "fight" about those things. Fox? fox most of it just run away or try to be a "good brother". well until he could not hold his anger and jealouy he denied. if he really was that "horrible"he would have been honest and hate him from the very begning [age4-5] what didn't really happen since he didn't seem to be hostile towerd him in the dinner! he would have fight his brother from the first place and say that he is batter then him. that actually would have been better for him then deny those feelings.

I didn't say they not inborn, I SAID there is always a reason! even kids fight over "something" - a reason [toy, food etc..] human acts from reasons. even if they stupid or selfish one's. and fox also had reasons to develop jealousy - like I said before jealousy didn't come from thin air. it come from a reason that it is something! and I claim it their parents that start all this! agree with me or not, that what I think! that what I believe that happen base on what I seen so far.