Agree on all points..
Couldn't say it better
Tyy <333 it's really annoying how ppl are actually defending this. Didn't know there were ppl that dumb ^^
They all hate you for this, but you make perfect sense. The people on here always try to find a way to excuse these acts, mostly by claiming it's "just fiction", and it's just plain weird.
Incase they don't understand how BDSM scenes work, consent to the play has to happen BEFOREHAND. A safe word doesnt excuse a consent violation. Yeah there is a safe word, but that's not there to stop an unconsenual act, it's to stop a consensual act that you have become uncomfortable with.
If your partner is crying and asking you to stop when you have started an unexpected and unagreed upon type of intercourse, you stop. If you suspect your partner is questioning their willingness to continue the play, you slow down and ASK if they wish to continue. ESPECIALLY if your partner is known to have difficulty speaking up.
They’re just mad they got corrected and can’t handle it. Embarrassing honestly. Not gonna stress over people who lack basic comprehension, if they can’t grasp the point, they were never worth the energy to begin with. Not to mention I literally countered every one of their weak arguments but I guess they also lack the skill to read too </3
oh i hope they would
NONOOMF URE GETTING UNRIGHTEOUSNESLY FLAMED BY THE HORDE IS OK EVEN THO I LOVE THE STORY I GET UR TAKE TOO. Sadly I don't think I've seen a manhwa that uses safewords yet :( I wish they did do that in bdsm stories I think the only bdsm one that's like decently written is a really old manhwa called Blood Bank? I might be wrong cuz it's been a good while since I've read.
Lmaoo who say I care about them lol not my fault they're idiots. They yapping like there right when not a single vaild arugement has brought up. Speak up bitches. At least have something else different to say.
There just being pussy bc they know it's wrong. And everytime I reply they ain't gonna read it bc there scared. Anyway a very good BDSM bl manhwa I would recommend is "Aporia" it very good and somewhat realistic. You should def read it.
Oooooo tytyyy will definitely check that out ty for the recommendation!!
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Bro is reflecting so bad
They probably dont reply cause all your replies sound the same Heh they just keep saying the same things pussy pussy pussies heh im so cool im like protecting so many people from getting consented rn heh I make fun of people doing the same things im doing heh female minors
But like congrats bro you're actually so entertaning LOL imagine feeling so high and mighty behind a screen talking abt consent abt some pixels HELPP
No wonder your name is Nobody cause that’s exactly the level of relevance and brain activity you bring to the conversation.
You are totally right! People here justify rape by saying that it's just fiction and not reality. Like if you are still rooting for the ml and mc to get together even after one has raped the other, you are just a horrible person. These people would justify getting off to baby pics by saying it's fiction.
Thats all you can say LOLLL just cause I was getting on your level btw so guess what youre making fun of yourself ,you too dont bring any relevance you're funny dawg
Literally! These people here can't even read or spell why do they think there some god bc they defend that shit.
Also incredibly important: A dom SHOULD NOT be picking the safe word for the sub. Ash picked a safe word that Lyle did not feel comfortable using. He damn well knows that Lyle doesn’t feel comfortable calling him ‘Honey’. They effectively do not have a safe word because it is not one Lyle will use.
THIS ESPECIALLY!! Besides, there had been no previous talk of doing any form of BDSM play. Ash used sex as a means for forcing information out of his partner, which no matter way you look at this, is rape (and this whole scene was completely out of the blue and very out of character.)
why is this argument still going on
Nobody is asking u to keep checking
You really took the words out of my mouth, I couldn’t agree more with you, because what Ash did is wrong and it upsets me that a lot of people doesn’t seem to realise and even justify Ash actions. Lyle didn’t consent to a BDSM play because he wasn’t aware that it was a thing for him it was most likely something shameful and uncomfortable…
Sadly, there are idiots out there, and I honestly feel bad for them. It’s wild that, even with all my points, they still ignore the real message. Hiding behind a screen and using 'it's just fiction' as an excuse. No point in responding when they can’t even bother to read, especially after I’ve repeated myself so many times.
Ain’t no fucking way y’all are seriously agreeing with what Ash did. Like, let’s be real and break this down.
> “Ash literally says that Lyle can still propose. Nothing was ruined.”
Yeah, he can still propose but the effort Lyle put into planning a thoughtful, genuine proposal was completely disregarded. Having to blurt it out just to stop an uncomfortable situation doesn’t just “reset” because there’s a second chance. The whole point of a proposal is that it’s meaningful, genuine, and given freely not something dragged out under emotional pressure. Just because Ash said, “you can still propose later,” doesn’t mean the emotional impact of the original moment isn’t tainted. You can’t just pretend that a uncomfortable situation didn’t happen because there’s a redo option. I understand that in later chapter there ACTUAL proposal was cute and etc but that still doesn't excuse what Ash did. Do not overlook this as a simple "he say sorry and Lyle was okay with it too" no tf he was not. U can tell he was uncomfortable and didn't wanna be put in that situation.
> “He apologized for forcing it out.”
And? An apology doesn’t erase the consequences of his actions. Apologizing is the absolute bare minimum after you make someone feel cornered and uncomfortable. The issue isn’t whether he apologized, it’s that he shouldn’t have needed to in the first place. A genuine partner doesn’t ignore repeated signs of hesitation or discomfort just to satisfy their own timeline or desires. The apology doesn’t fix the fact that Lyle was clearly not ready, clearly hesitant, and clearly emotionally overwhelmed in that moment. Even when they were at the sex toy shop or whatever Lyle was clearly uncomfortable and didn't wanna be there.
> “He’s going to give Lyle another chance to propose properly.”
Again, that doesn’t address the root of the issue. This isn’t just about “letting Lyle try again.” It’s about the fact that Ash already crossed a major emotional boundary. Throughout the story, Lyle has often gone along with things he wasn’t totally okay with, just because Ash was. That’s a pattern, and it speaks volumes. Consent and comfort should never be based on someone else’s enthusiasm. A proposal should be something that both people are emotionally ready for, not something squeezed out through guilt, pressure, or whatever.
> "Other point, we can't forget that Lyle could have use the safe word"
"Lyle could’ve used the safe word" is such a dismissive take. Just because someone technically has an way out doesn’t mean they feel safe or empowered enough to use it especially when they’re overwhelmed or if there with someone they care about. Safe words are there to protect consent during mutual play, not to excuse one partner for blatantly ignoring the other’s discomfort and boundaries. Using a safe word should never be seen as the only line between "okay" and "not okay." The fact that someone hasn’t used it doesn’t automatically mean they’re okay, it means they might be too overwhelmed to speak up, too scared, or simply don’t feel they can. It was literally fucking seen with lyle crying and asking ash to stop. A healthy partner picks up on subtle cues, reads the emotional landscape, and respects boundaries without needing a sign that says "stop." That’s not a failure on Lyle’s part; it’s a failure on Ash’s for putting him in that position in the first place. Ash should’ve been more aware and considerate, not pushing him into an uncomfortable situation just because HE was ready.
Stop excusing Ash’s behavior because he said sorry. If he really cared, he would’ve stopped the second he saw how distressed Lyle was. That’s what love looks like, not forcing a moment and cleaning it up after. And the fact that the author completely glossed over that violation by having them immediately jump into a sex scene afterward? Tone-deaf as hell. It sends the message that discomfort and emotional pressure can be smoothed over with sex and a half-hearted “sorry,” and that’s not okay.
This was supposed to be a comfort manhwa something warm, tender, and respectful. Instead, it turned into a story where boundaries doesnt matter anymore and the fandom just shrugs because the ML is hot and said “sorry.”
Be so fucking for real.