The side stories always ruin good Bls
They have a word to stop, they both like it and agree, thats what a healthy BDSM scene works. If you cant have with this hope you never read BLs like non zero sun
??? it was consensual and he didnt know lyle kept a thought of marriage, lyle agreed and consented, he was feeling ASHAMED and embarrassed of the situation but not because he felt forced or anything. he literally agreed to it all, ash would never force him into anything
Girl,how high are you? Where do you see the rape? It was consensual sex with a safe word.
They brought the toys, they made a safe word and the both consented?? Are you perhaps new to bdsm? Is this your first yaoi?? Lmao some couples tend to find things that turns them on other than sex, I guess you also don't know it.
Heyy , so this is not rape . Im absolutely always hunting for manhwas which are rape free . This is bdsm , they kind of explored their kinks and ash literally took lyle out to shop for sex toys and they had a safe word which lyle would use incase he wanted ash to completely stop and surrender . However lyle saying "stop" is a symbolic gesture he always does when he's embarassed asf .
LITERALLY!! idk why these authors always have to include sexual assault in their manhwas its actually very fucking creepy like why is almost everyone adding it into their stories
LITERALLY!! idk why these authors always have to include sexual assault in their manhwas its actually very fucking creepy like why is almost everyone adding it into their stories
Having a word to stop means nothing when the other person is persuaded to agree.
He would never but he does it anyway
Ash bought the toys not karlye, karlye didn’t even want to go in there, no im not new to bdsm or yaoi, he does have to say the safe word for his partner to realise he doesn’t want to do this, karlye didn’t even want to buy those things or use them it was all ash.
Heyy so if you persuade your partner to do something sexual with them while they are very obviously hesitant and have told you no and you still push them to do it then it very much is sexual assault/rape. Bdsm is supposed to be consensual not persuasive you dont just punish your partner like that, ash took karlye to buy those toys even tho karlye didn’t even want to, karlye is a huge overthinker and has a hard time refusing ash and ash knows that he used that against him and you can tell its literally in front of you guys but i guess you guys arent as attentive as you should be.
Like you know them? Lmao idk why you keep defending yourself over some fictional that literally has an emotion DRAWN yet you conclude everything as rape lmao Yeh, you're new here. WELCOME TO YAOI WORLD WHERE THEY ALL HAVE KINKS AND DEVELOPMENT.
Mf sexual assault isnt a kink its sick, ive been reading bls since 2019 i am not new stop embarrassing yourself with those cringe ass lines even if i was new that means absolutely nothing, and if a new person would be able to tell that something is sexual assault over someone whos been reading for a long time doesn’t that just mean your just insensitive to it now?? y’all are so fucking hilarious its actually concerning. I know them because ive been reading their stories?? I know how they act and what tehy feel by their body language and their facial expressions and words if i wasnt able to even tell that by such simple things taht would mean the author was doing a terrible job at making manhwas.
A sub’s safe words should not be picked for them. Especially considering Ash picked one that is something that Lyle is not comfortable saying/just. Won’t say because he deems it too embarrassing. They effectively do not have a safe word.
I am a gay man who practices kink IRL and who is also a survivor of SA. While I think it’s fine to enjoy these sorts of fictional portrayals of things, it does concern me to see how fervently people defend it as being safe sane and consensual.
Again, it’s fiction, right? But like. You can enjoy something in fiction and simultaneously acknowledge “if this happened in real life it would be sexual assault/abuse/rape.” And I think it’s simultaneously fair for people to see things that would be rape, but written as if it was consensual, and say, “hey, I don’t think this is good writing”.
Just to repost something I said elsewhere:
Okay seriously though if a dom:
1. chooses your safe word for you. especially if it’s a safe word you don’t feel comfortable saying
2. doesn’t tell you the play you’re doing before the scene
3. insists on punishing you for something you don’t feel comfortable being punished for
4. puts you in a scenario where you feel forced to use your safe word or do something you really don’t want to do
5. makes you (even unintentionally) question if they love you or fear how you respond to a scene
you need to have a LONG conversation with them about fixing this or you need to run. some of these are red flags and some of these are blatant abusive/not safe sane and consensual
anyways OP tbf the rut scene at the end of the story was also really bad. Lyle was crying, saying no, begging to stop, and in pain for most of it, as well as going unconscious multiple times, and Ash revealed afterwards that he was pretty well in control of his mental faculties the entire rut (knew and meant everything he said to Lyle, had no regrets about knotting him ans fully intended it). Which. Means he was well aware that Lyle had revoked consent.
If we’re being REALLY realistic. Ash kisses Lyle multiple times within the first like. 6 chapters after Lyle verbalizes he does not want to or feel comfortable with it, Ash even being coy like, Lyle saying something like “I don’t wanna do that” and Ash responding like, “do what~? *kisses him again*” Which. Would be sexual assault IRL.
I had to stop my reread at ch7-8 bcus it is so eerily similar to my own SA (I was not a survivor the first time I read it) that I got very badly triggered so. I can’t comment fairly on that and beyond. Alas.
Putting Lyle in a scenario where he either has to use his safe word or he has to do something he really does not want to do (say his secret) is bad BDSM etiquette at best. It is abusive. A dom should never push a sub to use their safe word. The alternative being “keep being punished OR tell me your secret” is not a healthy, safe, sane, and consensual scenario (with the exception being that this is all very clearly laid out and explained, and something Lyle is aware of and consents to. But Lyle didn’t know what was going to happen.)
Grl most ppl that are into BDSM love that role play of saying "no" and "pls stop" and they keep going, thats why there is a specific word, so the role play can work.
Also this is a fiction, most of us love dark romances but of course we dont want that to happen irl, its just a fantasy. I understand that you cant handle but saying this is 3ape? Nah
Did you read my reply to you specifically, or just my reply to OP? I pointed out that I practice BDSM irl, an a survivor, that Ash picked the safe word (bad), and that it’s something Lyle doesn’t feel comfortable saying (double bad). And I address the last paragraph.
Yall need to learn what consent is, we are talking about Lyle then I guess everything is rape. Since he's hesitant all the time.
I swear yall throw around rape whenever it's something you don't like. The story was consensual and Lyle was the one to buy the toys not Ash. It also states multiple times that Lyle in no way thinks anything ash does is against his will. During his run, Ash asked Lyle to leave but he stayed.
Smdh media literacy is gone.
All the love, and respect i had for this story just went up in flames, this is no longer a rape free manhwa with a green flag ml. I absolutely despise these side stories omfg. Ash i fucking hate you now blame your fuckass author for that.