listen i cant lie, im the first to drop at a red flag and the ML is a total GREY flag... l...

omg ikr??? there's no love u can feel at all

Nah I agree. Coersive and controlling. Big icks.

no fr it feels more like the ml is happy to have the mc “in his possession” but there is genuinely zero chemistry or love between them. i feel like the mc at the very least likes the ml, but that’s literally it

Jay is totally a red flag though? He kept pushing MC down without his consent all the time, he wants to completely control the MC and tie him down and he's extremely possessive. But I agree, it's the first time I can only say the ML is just obsessed and not in love. He literally doesn't care, even when MC is hurt he still wants sex. He's terrifying honestly

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That’s his type of “love”, though.
It’s a major plot point in a later novel that his mom tried very hard to make him feel things and would always show him sad movies and such and ask him If he was sad and he always responded with a no. His mom’s biggest wish was for Jay to someday feel something and he says that the only time he was ever moved by someone’s tears was when he saw Yoohan cry. That he felt his sadness and wanted to feel/experience it again.
He’s never diagnosed in the story, but Jay is most likely a psycho/sociopath. If he is, then he really can’t understand emotions, so his obsession is the closest it’ll get to a romance, but in their case, that’s what works.

Jay has a personality disorder. He doesn't experience emotions. It's not a lovey dovey type story. They do love and care for eachother. But in their own way

thiiisssss

But he can still learn what coercion is and how not to do it. He's not an idiot, he can make a decision to not push for sex and just accept his partners no if it's all so unemotional for him.

Obviously, said partner would need to be firm, but being the victim of it it's harder to be firm and our mc is very accommodating to the mls wants. I find it all icky and triggering personally but the mc is happy apparently?

So tru as much as i love the novel/manhwa that is an issue that is prominent within Jay and Yoohan's dynamic. But it was mentioned and i think the manhwa kinda doesnt have emphasis as much as the novel that there is a reason as to why Jay treats Yoohan like that. Yoohan still is very guilty about his very existence so he pretty much always self punishes himself ever since his bro and mom's death. He hates himself and would want to off himself but he doesn't have the right to.

And Jay very much understands this thoughts that linger in Yoohan's head. Yoohan doesn't like being treated with kindness because he still think he is someone that deserves the worst. Jay does this as a way for cope(???) Idk how to explain it but pretty much just so Yoohan can be more receptive of the stuff and actions given to him by other people, including Jay. That's why weirdly enough SPOILER when Jay does do good things for Yoohan, Yoohan gets insanely icked out of that reception. But over time Jay does treat Yoohan nicely but Jay still balances it with this weird ass behavior coz ironically deep down (this is how it was written okay) that's the what Yoohan accept to be treated the most. It's weird ik but novel readers seem to get that sense more than ull ever will if you stick to the manhwa alone + this was written in like 2010 so... not to excuse the author in those times that people had worse moral compass in BL writing but
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oh see now that makes sense. him not being able to sense emotions. that makes ALOT of sense

maaan i dont know how to properly express these kind of thoughts, but i totally agree on your thoughts.

I'm not saying that to excuse his behaviour. He's still a red flag. But he just doesn't feel emotions in the normal way. I think more so in his mind he was willing to stop at nothing to get what he wanted, which was yoohan. And also in his mind they had a contractual relationship. Jay could've gone all the way with him alot earlier if he had wanted to. Yeah he still did fucked up shit to yoohan. Idk. It's been a while since I've read the full story. I'm eventually gonna re-read it and look deeper into the story. There may be things I just didn't notice. But hey.

nah ur right I was just tryna give him the benefit of the doubt

cast? you mean characters?

First of all there's no "type" of love. Second, did you think of giving a spoiler warning before SPOILING?

who cares lol

......um what spoiler? That they get together?? Im pretty sure that's obvious from the start

Oh whoops I was suppose to get specific with the spoiler but kinda just made an generalization so here's the actual SPOILERS

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When Jay was put down of his position as director (yes someone got to do it rather than in the main) it also led to Yoohan being sorta fired in Dream. It kinda left Yoohan being vulnerable and almost having opportunities in the industry having no backer like Director Yoon anymore. And as we all know Yoohan is at a phase where he really wants to do acting but the tides made it seem like he cant. So Jay even when he has less power now decided to become Yoohan's road manager (so he can hang out with Yoohan more) and also indirectly made sure Yoohan still had opportunity to be in the industry. Jay made him join a gameshow even tho it wasnt to Yoohan's interest was actually to ensure to bring down those who fucked them over and put Yoohan on the mark cementing future roles :)

There were also small moments but i think i wont spoil those anymore coz im lazy lol

You should bcuz there's no "cast" here.