100% agreed. The author could’ve handled their situation better, but it just kept spiraling. Even after everything, when they finally become a couple, Juyeon never once treats him with respect, all under the excuse of being traumatized. Yes, Jiwook did something terrible to him as a minor, but that doesn’t give Juyeon a free pass to treat him like an object forever. The author acts like this is some deep exploration of trauma, but really it just feels like revenge porn.
Huge day for bad people then because Jiwook’s rapist ass had it coming
I don't understand how you can still defend Juyeon. I really want to believe that people defend him cus of what happens to him but as time goes by it seem they just do because he fit their preference better .Yes jiwook is a bad person and deserve karma for it but only to an extent.It should have ended with him dying even.but he keeps getting abuse ,rape, beat up. What the ml did is not justifiable. Everyone action in this manhwa isn't justifiable and people shouldn't be picking side to justify anyone action. What even is crazy is how you can be so supportive and be proud of manhwa that glorifies rape And support the author who people has ask why does she write what she write and she literally just say that she like to write intense things. If you ask me that just a way to say I have a rape fetish and no matter how people try to make it seem like this is some sort of deep revenge story. It is not. It's a rape fantasy story
Sure, idrc what you think my motives for defending Juyeon are. But even in the context for a fictional story there should be no sympathy given to someone who committed an act of COCSA, made CP, and felt no remorse for it. And fiction is by far one of the safest ways to explore this stuff. There are zero stakes. Nobody is getting hurt. Fallnick wouldn't need to justify writing the story because there is an audience that recognizes that it's fictional, enjoys the story, and gives her money.
I'm not dissing what he has gone through as a child but it's still not justifiable? And I mean ofc the author gonna keep getting paid when there are crazy ass people that fetishize rape just like her all around the world
It doesn't matter what you think is justifiable or not. At the end of the day it's a story. The rape you see is not real. It doesn't get simpler than that, yet people keep splitting hairs about some "THINK OF THE CHILDREN AND ABOUT SOCIETY" shit. If you want to be mad at someone, then be mad at mangago and other aggregator sites for making violent content easily accessible to minors and having a shitty tagging system.
Even without this website there are many other more website that put this stuff out. Twitter, Instagram, tik tok. If you see it as just a story than that's good for you? There are millions people who are out there saying the same thing " it's just a story" but those are the same people who has no touch of reality whatsoever. Normalizing this abusive behavior. Fetishizing rape with the excuse of it's just a story.Making edits of it to a phonk song even. Misinterpreting Stockholm syndrome as love. Some people who read this illegal and legally are normalizing. It's not just a fault of one website alone.
Idek what you mean dude. The problem has never, ever been the story. It's outrageous that you would blame someone's yaoi for people committing crimes or worse....*gasp* having no media literacy. If we should normalize anything it's honestly giving authors who torture men more money sawry.
But being entirely serious, this is a kink fantasy story for adults. Fantasy being the operative word. Of course there are bad actors who are going to try to expose younger people to porn or god forbid, people who think it's actually really cute and romantic. But why is the author responsible for those people? Obviously we don't agree at all, and that's fine. But this story isn't going away just because you don't like it. And the people who do support the story aren't going to feel bad for supporting it even if you crank up the virtue signaling on mangago dot com.
First and foremost, I find it strange when ppl defend this 'male lead'. People can have bad things done to them and become bad people. That doesn't make his actions any less evil. That doesn't make this manhwa any less violent and it doesn't make this story any less unjustifiable (as people do bad things, but the punishment should match the crime, right?).
Having media literacy means being able to understand the negative impact stories like this can have - yes, this is fake; yes, this is a kink story. But you forget that the internet is crawling with kids ready to throw emselves into the deep end bc they believe themselves 'mature' enough to handle shit. When they are NOT mature enough. Of course the author cannot be responsible for those who view such acts as romantic, but they can shift the way sexual violence portrayed in their work. Compare this to the extremely prolific Killing Stalking, a work the author herself says isn't a bl/romance; this author does NOT do the same at all for all of their works. There is no indication from the author (and a surprisingly large amount of readers) on how deeply disturbing this content truly is.
You forget that the media one consumes sometimes sticks with ppl in really awful ways. YOU might be able to separate such acts, when others cannot. It feels clear that u struggle to understand what I and others are trying to say and comment. This isn't virtue signalling as much as it is concerned adults that looks at something messed up and feel the need to take a step back and make sure that others know 'yh shit, this is messed the fuck up'.
Remember, this is an illigal site crawling with kids and this is a, as u said it, a rape fantasy FOR ADULTS.
There was a comment talking about how abusers aren't hurt in real life or something along the lines, well let me give my perspective as someone who was heavily abused. Yes, I want my abusers to be dead, but I'd never do this. I could never ever bring myself to give this kind of pain to anyone. I wouldn't do it to my worst enemies. There should never be any joy found in this level of suffering in others. U want rape fantasies? Sure, but never excuse rape, even when fictional. Understand when something is wrong.
Furthermore, bc we know from spoilers that the male lead goes so much further with his revenge than the mc did, will he punish himself? No, clearly not bc he will be painted the righteous victim. There is no righteousness to be found at the end of this road, only the bitter aftertaste of knowing you've become something worse than the one you tried to destroy
Sowwy bro but Killing Stalking was absolutely made with a fujo audience in mind. Just a more niche one. Koogi used to pump out soooo many “sexy” pinups of the rapist and his victim. Just because it’s well-written doesn’t necessarily mean it’s free of sin or whatever. I think people’s main gripes with this story are genuinely just rooted in the fact that the writing is weak. There is no moral conundrum here because the entire genre is steeped in degeneracy. People can make the art they want and people are going to criticize it. It’s the natural life cycle of the average yaoi. I don’t really have a problem with either of you, but I do think you should consider the Korean perspective from which the story was made. Jiwook is a caricature of toxic Korean men who are dumb as rocks and that caricature is being punished by his victim. Whether or not he went too far is completely subjective.
This entire conversation feels so one-sided and I feel like I'm falling for rage bait And then I remember ur probably an edgy teen and I hope as you grow, u understand what media literacy really is and know when things are taken too far
That’s cool. See you next update.
Okay, no matter what this guy did, it cannot justify this. Anyone on the ml's side is a bad person. Anyone saying ppl like me (those who point out this is just objectively, horrifically bad) are acting holier-than-thou are also bad ppl. Every work from this author is just really awful. I genuinely feel like there's something wrong with this author/artist