Not again

Kinda pathetic women ngl, guess patriarchy can never be escaped

One shes prolly not gonna end up with the chancellor it's looking like the pathetic ml

Two she can be attracted to an older man who's fat and have interest in him as a partner while still being a okay character

Three saying the patriarchy will never be escaped comes off as disingenuous seeing as she's married to a pathetic waste of space who's using her and who quite literally said he hated her but you have no complaints about that. Only the old fat man who's been at the very least polite to her and who has more sense than her air headed husband.

You're calling her pathetic for thinking an old bald man is attractive and then basing your standards for women on what men would do, what is more of an indication of patriarchal society?

One of the main factors of patriarchy is literally marrying older men. It’s in undeniable fact. So is valuing woman’s beauty of her character. Women in the patriarchy are expected to not be “shallow”. Especially in media where it is common to see for the portrayal of the former than the latter purposefully.


So no calling out a common stereo Pryor in fiction where women get with the ugly chatacter is not “more likely” an indication of patriarchy. It would ignorant and disingenuous to assume so.

Over*

Between the two stereotypes of getting with an older man who others think is unattractive vs getting with a younger man who still isn't that attractive, who's pathetic and who treated her like shit id really rather she go with the older man who treats her well.

And generally in fiction women don't have a habit of getting with the "ugly" man i think you're letting your personal biases get in the way of your judgement and just saying ANYTHING.

Its way more popular for them to be with a conventionally attractive ml (even if the ml doesn't necessarily suit your/the readers tastes). Is the opposite a tropes? Yes. Is it as popular as a conventionally attractive ml definitely no. Especially on mangago.

Also I said what I said because you looked at a fictional woman expressing attraction for a man you don't find attractive and immediately went into berating her, calling her pathetic and said that men would never do that.

Some women just like ugly men. It's not a think piece on the patriarchy some ppl just like em a lil odd in the face.

The reason why I said you having that dialouge about in the way you did was contributing more to the patriarchy than her just expressing attraction not even acting on it really, is because a woman did something you disprove of and you immediately got to insulting her.

Calling it ignorant and disingenuous to think you're a bit of a misogynist is odd given your reaction

“Some women like ugly men”
So what? Doesn’t change the fact that the ugly guy gets the girl is a common trope reinforced by men in media and has affected a large portion of media. In fact so does the “older guy gets the girl” and so does “the plain boring guy gets the girl”.


Considering in media the ugly guy gets the girl is a legitimate COMMON trope which you have said doesn’t exist. I can now deduct the your whole arguement is untrustworthy. You are arguing just to argue at this point.

Also nice try trying to make the argument seem like something else so you can whine. No where did I insult the woman’s looks or character I simply said it a pathetic trope which is true. If you want to read fiction without thinking to deeply feel free.

Also just to finally add. You seem to be a choice feminists considering your points allude to the fact that because a woman can make these choices it’s inherintly feminist. Well Choice feminism isn’t real.
Just because someone is a woman doesn’t make their choices feminist nor exempt from criticism.

Fortunately there’s no woman character being criticised. Just a literary direction.

Judging by your last two replies you are simply too stupid to understand the point I'm making. I'm not wasting anymore time or energy typing paragraphs on a dumbass who cant even understand basic logic.