like he lets things slides bc obviously hes known gilhan for awhile and gen believe gilhan is good and is js going through smth, hence why gilhans in a gang + suhan defending him
I don't think it's stupid that a lot of people thought he was way older than suhan because that's what usually happens iykwim? Like when he wanted suhan to dress in that maid outfit like that was so predatory idk I know now that he's only a year older which makes it less weird and stuff, but it's still weird. Plus he looks old, the way he looks and dresses.
You can still be groomed by someone who’s the same age as you or close to it. That kind of thing definitely exists
no thats just called manipulation
you literally dont know what the word grooming is… “ Sexual grooming is the action or behavior used to establish an emotional connection with a vulnerable person – generally a minor under the age of consent[1][2] – and sometimes the victim's family,[3] to lower their inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse.[4][5] It can occur in various settings, including online, in person, and through other means of communication.[6] Children who are groomed may experience mental health issues, including "anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress, and suicidal thoughts".[5]
straight from wikipedia
i mean, the “ you wore a maid dress, wear it again” trope has been done a lot and saying its predatory is kind of a stretch… a lot of manwhas have manipulative semes/tops have done that before, like read almost any cosplay BL, like his wording seemed more manipulative than the actual maid dress but i can see that how the way they talk makes it seem likes he older. also again im not saying he isnt weird, it js gen made a lot more sense how their relationship formed and it was kinda hinted from the earlier chapters “unstable person and unstable person = unhealthy co/dependent relationship”,
You can groom ppl ur age or even older. Its a manipulation tacting used on someone who is at their lowest and has no one to rely on. In order for it to be grooming, you have to gain their trust and make them believe you are always right, and anything against ur word is wrong. And since suhan had nobody, he was manipulated to think this is wgat he deserves.
So yeah hes still a groomer ^_^
No, Cam is right, it absolutely still is grooming. Gilhan is trying to isolate Suhan and make Suhan rely on him and him only. Telling Suhan to drop out of school and stay with him, as well as trying to eliminate Cheongyeon from Suhan's life are Gilhan's efforts to isolate Suhan. Teens can definitely groom teens, especially if the teen is as emotionally vulnerable as Suhan. Grooming does not have to be sexual to be considered grooming.
Bro thats literally whats happening with Suhan and Gilhan?? A vulnerable minor being taken advantage of from someone who is abusive. Just because Gilhan hasnt raped the poor kid, doesnt mean he wont in the future, thats how grooming works. They lay the foundation that theres only one correct path, which is them themselves. Grooming isnt exclusively adult x minor. It can be minor x minor and adult x adult.
im sorry, do you have like any actual website then to refer the information about a minor grooming a minor? also im not saying gilhans behavior isnt manipulative, just not grooming, genuinely i dont see how its grooming other than its just an abusive relationship. grooming happens when theres an authority position or older age, and gilhan was in neither of those besides being a yr older??
if u have any actual website on this information than please do give me insight then because grooming where both are minors is just abusive then
no, thats a just abusive, the same where is relationship a man can emotional burden and abuse his wife by isolating her, its just manipulation and emotional abuse. grooming is when actual age/authority positions come into play which gilhan was neither in, hes a year older. textbook definition on most websites always refer to an adult or authority position between the victim, its called grooming when someone whos over the age of consent is taking advantage of someone who mentally vulnerable when they themselves know their position. suhan has literally talked ab how they met when they had nothing and thats how they became friends,
and its literally clear by the fact gilhan was coerced into a gang by ACTUAL adults, theyre literally both mentally vulnerable kids
like gilhan is actively being groomed as well actually
I think Gilhan tells you himself in Chapter 14 how he views his relationship with Suhan. Gilhan comparing Suhan to a dog that's been trained to obey every command screams that Gilhan has the authority position. Gilhan's words easily influence Suhan, and that has been shown in great detail already.
"A groomer can be a stranger or someone the victim already knows and trusts, for example through a friend or family, or at a club they go to." - from https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/gr/grooming/
I think Gilhan fits this description very well.
an authority position as where the victim cant say no (ex: employer/employee, teacher/student, patient/doctor) CREATING (not having!!!) a power imbalance is what gilhan is doing, and thats not necessarily grooming; grooming is always emotional abuse but emotional abuse isnt always grooming. hes manipulating suhan the same way in a marriage a man will create a power imbalance and start to isolate his wife, its abuse, not grooming.
also not to mention, rereading it myself, gilhan is also actively also being groomed too by actual adults, so to use that suhans mentally young and vulnerable, so is gilhan. thats what sets their relationship apart from grooming, theyre both kids who are both in bad situations right now, thus codependency abuse NOT grooming
the definition you gave wasnt really quite what i was looking for nor doesnt answer my question on how an age gap of 1 yr, or minors grooming minors.
gilhan and suhans relationship is literally projection, codependecy, and manipulation because theyre both unstable and mentally vulnerable kids. grooming always relates to an older person abusing their power to monopolize kids, and is actively happening to gilhan so hes projecting it on to suhan making it abusive, not grooming. if gilhan wasnt in the place he was in either, i would consider it grooming, but given that they both have nothing, its not.
So everything you’ve jotted down ties into… say it with me now— G R O O M I N G. Manipulation is like grooming’s partner in crime (literally)— You’re stuck on the fact that people will refer to someone who’s older than another to be grooming them but you can be groomed by someone who’s the same age as you. Grooming doesn’t just skip ages—it targets ages. Gilhan IS grooming Suhan to become what he is—a dropout with no family and no future goals in life. When Suhan is being interactive with other people, Gilhan has to be defensive and try to harm that person who comes into contact with Suhan… so he harms C (I forgot his name!!). He also degrades Suhan’s hard work (his grades) to make it seem like what he’s doing is the bare minimum and constantly shuts him down for even thinking he could be better at studying than he is now. It’s ok to realize that Suhan is being groomed.. that’s quite literally what’s going on rn.
Thank you for essentially backing me up lol. Gilhan’s behavior ties down to grooming which can be a form of manipulation (vice versa) … the maid outfit thing was predatory bc it was to make Suhan appear “cute” or “seductive”… that’s the whole agenda!
Righttttt!!!!!
tbh i think gilhans weird but like, its not grooming its just an obsession/obsessive crush. gilhan and suhan were all they both had and its clear theyre both protective of each other, like give suhan credit, he can make his own decisions and wouldve said something if he was uncomfortable(and does) + gilhan was the only person who was there for him and vice versa. im alr p sure gilhan is gonna going down a bad obsessive route, but like theyre relationship RIGHT NOW isnt weird, js mentally unstable and vulnerable ppl finding solace in each other so saying grooming was kind of a stretch