Can someone who has actually read the novel confirm the level of violence and abuse coming...

It's rape.

dont be woke about it is so crazy LMAO

Rape fetishists LOVE dehumanising all women and queer men if they can jack off to pictures of fictional characters being raped, one of the most brutal acts.

It's "woke" to be anti-rape, apparently

and here yall come. god its such an annoying term but it fits this new generation of fic/manwha/novel readers. dub con exists. CNC exists. not everything is rape just because a character doesnt ask "may i?" before every sex scenes. so anyway, still waiting on a novel reader to give an actual reply with substance.

whole thing about consensual sex is asking for permission if they are comfortable having sex with them or not, not asking for consent is rape.

why are you even bringing up cnc as if it could be applicable here, the first word in it is "consensual" and it requires discussion and safe words between the participants, if one character rapes the other and says "oh but youre wet/hard/moaning it means you like it" its still rape.
dub con would refer to shit like being drunk or aphrodisiacs where the participans want it to happen but its more complicated to say whether or not consent could be reasonably given. (you could also argue it also has stuff like one of the characters thinking they want it but rejecting it externally, i personally dont)
also stop using the word woke like this, using terms created by black people in america to speak about racial injustice and prejudice to mean "erm but the bottom clearly wanted it even though he was struggling and saying no and crying, stop being woke by calling it rape"

are you slow? are ALL of you slow? im asking if what some people are saying is rape (a word that gets thrown around very VERY loosely in manwha, fic, and all media these days) is ACTUALLY rape or if its cnc or dub con, both of which MANY people say is rape these days. i WANT clarification from a novel reader - does he RAPE the mc in the novel, full blown Roses & Champagne type shit, or is this another situation where the woke readers cannot distinguish situations THEY dont want to engage in with rape. sweet suffering jesus you people are all proving my point.

"dub con" you mean rape.

CNC it a specific strand in BDSM, which this manga and others rarely engage in.

This is "ACTUAL RAPE" in the story.

Hahahaha, your comment bring the wrong ppl instead
Keep waiting till the actual novel reader reply you, hahaha

okay yeah, black guy here, you are using woke incorrectly LMAO. I never say anything but my eye is twitching. you literally got an answer, rape happens. What you're really asking is: Is it porn or is it plot? That's honestly the best way to put it.

Your laments of wokeness are actually just a testament to how not woke any bit of media is. Society is too desensitized with extreme topics that you're genuinely asking is it rape or "rape"? thats so.. does that just not, idk, speak to you? that you feel the need to ask that?

Just realized you also "cried newgen" LMAO. I wasn't even really mad with your question, just amused by your wording, but you w6ere so ready to be on defense, I can't help but say something now. You're not using CNC properly; Dub-con is the only term you want btw.

i got sarcastic replies from people who were angry i questioned it, from the kind of people who see any situation where a person doesnt get explicit written consent to touch someones hand and screams rape. so no, those dont count. im not arguing with someone on mangago about how to use the word woke lol, cope or dont idrc. I'm not using cnc improperly, i used it SEPARATELY from dubcon. i very clearly stated them as two different things. god its like talking to middle schoolers.

ive stated cnc OR dubcon multiple times in multiple comments now. as in asking if it were one of those two DIFFERENT things or if it were rape. yall are exactly the kind of illiterate media consumers im talking about.

literally the exact people i was talking about having a crisis on this thread

lmfao, "person doesnt get explicit written consent to touch someones hand and screams rape" holy strawman, do you think that if it doesnt have hitting or isnt violent its not rape anymore?
not even gonna say anything about the fact that you cant understand that youre using a term with an important history completely incorrectly and in such an awful manner

That's why I said dub-con is the only term you want, can you read? I understand your use of "OR" babe
CNC is a BDSM term, unless this is a BDSM novel, you aren't using it correctly. That other guy already explained it but these characters would need to be setting up a 'scene' in which, yeah it wouldn't be rape, obviously because the reader would know this. Something tells me that doesn't happen. Hence, you ONLY use dubious consent because that's quite literally all you're asking.
(Also.. "It's rape." isn't all that sarcastic rather its just blunt from someone who doesn't seem to like your question.)

Anywho, your ignorance is your own. I'd equally say I feel like I'm talking to a child but this is clearly coming from someone way too old.
Like I said, you're asking if it's played off as porn or if it's plot. Guess you're just going to have to read it yourself since you don't trust these wokies LMAO stupid liberals!!

I took a look for you actually, not my vibes but: Seme is a red flag, its goes toxic but relatively acknowledged and not romanticized. Seme doesn't reflect it too much in his actions, it seems in the main story it's written to be implied rape but the side stories clarify that Uke got tied up with forced kissing and touching. Ig if your a person who only thinks penetrative is rape then there is your answer. Not a read for me, but everyone's different ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Spoiler:










No r*pe, though that depends on how you define it. Leshak kisses Radan and touches his chest against his will but that’s it. Beats and shackles him in his bedroom for a few days during his crazy stage-which isn’t explicitly described I.e. “bruises on his body”. Makes him a prisoner of war at one point but doesn’t hurt him. Leshak is an orange flag. I explained better in a different comment like three chapters back.

I am so glad that I am an old woman. This statement right here is why I'm glad I'm an old woman. If my partner Field Day have to ask me if we can have sex every single time then we are never having sex because how dare some idiot who doesn't trust me try to have sex with me.

I don't think you understand what rape is.

lmaooooo this is so funny but also concerning that people can be this fucking dumb. if you think you have to get verbal consent every time you have sex, that there are no such thing as non verbal cues and mutual understanding of a situation, that two mature and sound minded adults cannot "read the room" without words, youre fucking cooked. and thats ignoring situations of CNC or dubcon completely where couples have other "rules" at play beforehand that also disregard verbal consent on purpose. calling everything you dont like PERSONALLY rape diminishes the act or rape in real situations. words have meaning. slinging them around without thinking about their effect is damaging. yall want to be woke so fucking bad but dont realize how much damage you do with your lack of education.

It is better if you don’t mention “woke.” It will bring in the exact people lol. Hence, all this long reply. Well I guess I’m reading the novel now.