Hi! I was groomed. So yeah um.. a groomer usually knows what they are doing. And if they DONT, then they atleast have a "I kinda wanna date this person.." thought process. The reason why I don't think the older brother here is a groomer is for one simple reason. He was raped by the younger dude. Groomers don't just "let go" of the people they're grooming. It's clear that this guy was quite literally being raped without his knowledge, and assumed they were dreams. He even felt awful about them (if you had read, you would've known that) so yeah, I 100% don't think this is grooming. Ofc you see a lot of super younger and super older stories on here, but honestly, I don't think they're that far apart in age first off (we don't know yet) and second off, if he WAS grooming him, he wouldn't of been fucking raped by the guy. You guys always wanna call someone a pedophile even when THEY are the one getting raped by the younger person whom they see (normally) as family
Also, we already know for a fact this is set in omegaverse, and so him letting off his pheromones in the car, basically suffocating the Uke with them, is like a style of drugging him. It is QUITE LITERALLY A SEX DRUG. He barely has control of his body and he's basically in a state of "heat" which was forced upon him. He's being raped. And yes, shocking information, people who are way younger than you, can fucking rape you. It doesn't make you a pedophile.
You clearly didn't read what I said.
OF COURSE YOU DON'T SEE THE GROOMING IN THIS WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE GROOMER. This is the groomers fantasy, the groomers POV. The groomers fantasy is not that they're a disgusting irredeemable degenerate. The groomers fantasy is that the children they raised are so attracted to them that they can't resist.
The groomers fantasy, the groomers point of view that they would put into writing in order to make themselves look innocent, is that they are so irresistible to children that children will do anything to have sex with them.
That's all this is and the fact that you don't see that shows you either sympathize with the groomer, which is why you like this point of view so much, or you aren't thinking critically.
This trope always tries to portray the groomer, the pedophile, the uke as the victim because in their mind that relieves them of responsibility, it means they did nothing wrong. They're the victim here, clearly they're not a pedophile or a groomer when they're being raped by the child they raised. Why would they be responsible for that? How could it possibly be their fault?
THIS IS THEIR POINT OF VIEW SO OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE SEEING THEMSELVES AND PORTRAYING THEMSELVES AS THE INNOCENT ONE. OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO OMIT ALL OF THE GROOMING THAT HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THIS POOR GROOMED CHILD'S LIFE AND ONLY SHOW YOU THE PARTS WHERE THEY'RE INNOCENT. How do you think they would describe it to themselves?
I wish they still taught critical thinking in schools. I wish they still taught you idiot children how to dissect the point of view in writing and how to think about fiction for multiple points of view and not just the one you're shown.
I'm asking too much though. I'm just shocked you're able to read and write at all considering how terribly the school system has failed the children.
So...your not calling the uke a pedophile but the um...author..? Which I mean, I could totally see that point of view if you were calling the AUTHOR that. But if you're still calling the uke that, then you need to realize, even if the author wrote it that way on purpose for their sick fantasy, he still got raped.. and he didn't even want to have sex with the dude in the first place, because he saw him as family.
So overall, if you're saying the AUTHOR is the sick one, then yes, I agree. But if you're saying the uke is, then I think you've gone astray.
No I am 100% saying the uke is a pedophile and a groomer and that the author is writing a story specifically for groomers.
You're saying that he's somehow innocent. That he had nothing to do with the child he raised being sexually obsessed with him. This grown man who is clearly at least 10 years older, judging from their size difference in flashbacks ,is completely innocent?
The child seduced him! It's not his fault, what was he supposed to do when this child was so sexually obsessed with him? He's the victim here. Everyone should take his side because the child is the problem. The child is just too sexual. Did you see how the child dressed? The child chose to climb into his bed with him. The child begged him for attention. The child came on to him. The child forced themselves on to him. What was he supposed to do? He was seduced!
Because that's exactly what groomers and pedophiles say to defend themselves when they're caught. That's exactly what you are saying in defense of this groomer and pedophile.
Also, don't try to say I "looked at the point of view of the groomer" because I looked at it from the point of view of a victim lol. I've been groomed and raped before, neither are good. Just because someone is writing down a fantasy where the older person is the victim, doesn't mean raping is okay. Once again, I understand putting down the author, but putting down the guy who got raped by someone whom he deemed as family, and who was raping him for years, is just sad and disgusting. Would you say the same for a woman who gets raped by her son? Did she "groom him" too? Not all stories about an older person getting raped by a younger person mean grooming, it literally just means they were raped.
Sorry but your comment is giving "I can excuse rape! But I draw the LINE at pedophilia!"
"You can excuse rape???"
10 YEARS?? HELPPPP THEY DO NOT LOOK 10 YEARS APART also really disturbing my dude! You're basically just agreeing to the whole
"I can excuse rape but I draw the line at pedophilia!" Thing LMFAO I'm assuming you either have a severely skewed sense of reality, or that you're ragebaiting. No way you said the guy who got raped is the problem, he didn't even bring the guy into his household when he was a kid, THE DAD DID so if you wanna call ANYONE a groomer, call his DAD a groomer, I mean, he DID say he was raised to be "his husband" so his dad was clearly the one who was grooming him into this position lol
You're putting words in my mouth. I'm not excusing rape. You can't rape the willing. All groomers claime it was against their will once they're caught. They all claim that the child took advantage of them. You're seeing this from the groomer's point of view so the groomer is defending themselves by saying it was against their will but if you listen to what they're actually saying you'll see it's not.
In the first chapter, literally the first chapter, the uke says that once he started going through puberty, once the older uke started going through puberty he started fantasizing about the child. The child who was much younger than him. He stated that the child was much younger than him.
So he was going through puberty but the child was not and he was having fantasies about the child. Sexual fantasies about the child.
Go reread it. Go reread it and tell me he's not a pedophile and a groomer.
BRO WHAT YOURE SAYING THAT THEYRE LYING ABOUT GETTING RAPED WHEN THE AUTHOR LITERALLY PURPOSEFULLY WROTE ABOUT THE UKE GETTING RAPED HELPPPP YOURE ACTUALLY INSANE HOLY FUCK
I'm not "putting word in your mouth" YOU QUITE LITERALLY JUST SAID HE DIDNT GET RAPED WHEN HE QUITE LITERALLY DID. THERES NO IF ANDS OR BUTS, HE GOT RAPED I'm gonna stop talking to you now because you're clearly fucking insane. Either you're a child who doesn't understand the world around you yet and just listen to buzzwords online, or WORSE you're a full grown adult trying to force reality how YOU want it to be. News flash: what you just read was a guy getting raped. Unwilling. This isn't a fucking court room, this is a manga that genuinely contains rape. Get over yourself.
bait used to be believable
You need to take a critical look at these stories. You need to realize how common this trope is.
I'm genuinely not trying to troll people. This is a real problem. It is so harmful and toxic to be presenting these relationships as normal.
It is not normal for an adult to fuck a child. It is not normal for an adult to meet a child and then wait for that child to grow up so they can fuck them. It's not normal for an adult to raise a child and fuck them.
I don't understand why this is controversial.
L rage bait I ain’t even get mad.do better.
I read 2 chapters which are available here and first thought that your judgement was wrong but then i found the rest of the chapters and it did seem like grooming... but at the same time from this story it is not clear what started first, seme sneaking into uke's room at night and showering him with pheromones (seme did say that he knew he is his fated mate from the first meeting) so that uke get obsessed with him and start seeing him more than an adopted sibling or if uke first got obssessed and groomed seme into this behaviour. Anyway it is not morally right to have such thoughts about your underage vulnerable family member even though not related by blood (he is actually the father's secretary's son) but i m not sure if i can judge considering pheromones shower every night, but irl it is def not right kind of behaviour.
It's actually fairly normal for children to develop crushes on adults or much older children. It is the adults responsibility, always the adults responsibility and 100% the adults responsibility, to enforce boundaries and correct bad behavior.
Allowing that sort of behavior is grooming. Encouraging it is grooming. Not discouraging it is grooming.
Because stories with this trope are always written from the point of view of the groomer you can't expect to see all of the grooming. You have to consider who the narrator is and how reliable they are. Groomers are not reliable narrators because they will always always say it was the child's fault.
We as readers should be using our knowledge and critical thinking to analyze everything we read and realize how dangerous and stupid this trope is.
This trope where the older, usually much older, uke raises the much younger seme to be wildly sexually obsessed with him is a trope that normalizes grooming. You're going to say "there's no grooming in the story!" But of course there was grooming, you just don't see it. That's how grooming works. Plus the story is told from the POV of the groomer (the uke) and why would the groomer think they did anything wrong.
The whole point of grooming is that it is something invisible that is done to children in order to make the children think they are sexually attracted to the adults. A child who has been groomed will often beat the initiator of sexual contact because they have been groomed into thinking it's something they want. The sexual obsession that these groomed children show is a symptom of grooming and not a reason to think the groomer (the uke) is innocent.
Now there's going to be some idiots who are going to respond to this saying "he didn't raise him!!!" And to that I have to point out that you probably don't have any older siblings or aren't an older sibling. A sibling who is 10 years older than you very much raises you, even if it's not their primary responsibility. They are still very much an authority figure who is constantly there and has power over you.
A cousin that is adopted by your family is no different than a sibling. Adopted siblings are still siblings.