Ahem.. a question

If I may put in my two cent pov.. i kinda see this thing as a east vs west cultural difference perspective.

Mangago deleted my comment wtf
Ahem, what i meant is western countries are mostly low context cultures aka a Dutch or a German person who hates u wouldnt hesitate to say it to your face. Low context culture society are direct straight forward n honest with expressing opinions/ sentiments whereas a lot of Asian countries like China kor jap ind are extremely high context cultures aka heavy on the beat around bush mannerism. Emphasis on the "unspoken" is much more heavier prevalent and preferred way of interaction than speaking directly which is seen abrash bold n impolite. This is kinda flawed because thats how u get a society with severe issues like victim blaming culture n ppl who cant address wrong done to them. Anyway thats an entire whole discourse in itself. But yeah.. You'll find these in their literature, norms that shape their upbringing and phrases quotes they have non-verbal cues like body language, tone of voice, and shared understanding to convey meaning, rather than explicit verbal statements is naturally seen in the media they make as well. This grounds popularly demanded character sketches like "tsundere who'd be typically grouchy n stingy with words but gets betrayed by body actions and behavior facial expressions" but issue is there's a lot of works that fetishise grape* and arbitrarily insert SA anywhere for the plot and differentiating stories where character is not being Sa'ed but is really just a tsundere guy is difficult because of the way of writing and drawing "started off grape ended up feeling good" vs "really likes it but cant be honest but body betrays words". Ive seen irl example where a foreigner who had one night stand experiences shared how he was puzzled by Japanese women who'd mutter no and "stop" bashfully in bed and he'd actually stop cuz well yk consent and then they'd be like ???why did u stop ??. A lot of that aspect seeps in the works they produce as well I believe which is why we see shous being shy awkward n how taking lead n being vocal during seggs is a special unique event that gets Extra bonus chapter.

Some works are written really well tho and are underrated masterpieces where you'll see them tackle these things properly and not do a sloppy fetish fanservice job. As for ennead mojito captured seths trauma properly with the grape PTSD he keeps suffering thru out the story and how he mentally dangerously unstable at the verge of a total crashout n how deeplyrooted his insecurities fears embarrassment and pain are because of what happened that day with osiris . The time with horus was an accident and it wasnt random. Its actually there in real Egyptian mythology too and seth was the one who came with the intention of doing it to horus but due to mirrors magic horus did it to him against his free will. He would willingly never do it with Seth non con. He hates hurting seth the most and loves respects and cares abt him deeply. So horus is also victim here as he did it without his consent. The only time I felt grape was unnecessarily added was with foreign god furball but seth was dru&&&gd with aphrodisiac and well furball is zeus.... knowing infamous zeus.. him not doing anything wouldv been out of character i suppose.. still I very much dislike/hat that chapter. I hope I could explain pls dont take it differently english isn my 1st language and as a victim myself I never ever condone grape (￣∇￣")

Something I forgot to add in my previous answer: I don't consider Nefertem much because he's mentioned by Osiris in chapter 47, and Osiris doesn't make it a secret that he considers Nefertem as pathetically weak, when he tells Seth right after raping him that "without Osiris' help in expanding the desert, Seth's power as 'a mere god of sand' would have remained so weak that, even Nefertem would've been stronger than Seth (in that case)".
This is something I'm skeptical Osiris would say out loud (or at leas,t not so blatantly and openly as if publicizing it) if he'd really done anything to him...since he knows Sekhmet is ALWAYS around somewhere, listening in on them (Sekhmet says the only reason Osiris didn't detect her coming at him that one time, when she came to put Osiris to sleep in order "rescue" Seth when Seth was being raped him, was because Osiris was "too distracted with what he was doing" to Seth, at the time). ...While I know Osiris has started getting "dumber than usual" whenever arguing with Seth ever since Seth saw through his lies, I still doubt that if if Osiris was the cause of Nefertem's weakness, he'd have been so dumb as to provoke Sekhmet by calling her son "weak", right after she'd just managed to close on him enough to knock him out, not even a second before, when he told said that.

I think that storywise the time Seth slept with Zeus a bit necesary, though (even though I absolutely HATED it), because it was supposed to show the "proggression" from "Seth, the straight dude who was a father and a husband", to "Seth, the 'open-minded' dude who one day decided he might as well conquer his trauma, and say'f-- you' to Osiris, by trying out sex with other guys"... I think that scene of Seth/Zeus was as close as the author felt they could give us, to show us a Seth that could seem open to one day accept Horus' romantic pursuit by appearing to discard his own old 'prejudices' (at least, at face-value) and somewhat "consensually agree" (or, like I would say, "half-heartedly/grudgingly agree") to sleep with a guy "just for the heck of it", mostly because he was tired of refusing over and over (to me it looked more like Zeus wore him down until Seth gave in, out of tiredness).

What does that even mean. It’s the law. So yes, depending on the country what is trialed as “rape” could be different. But, generally, “rape” is when someone doesn’t give consent or cannot give consent (ie. intoxicated, not of legal age, etc). Basically forced to participate. Not sure how that is any different depending on the country as it’s a basic right. The right to say no.

No wait pls read my other comment. I explained it there cuz mangago cut off my og comment. Im not mislabelling what can be counted as rape n what not. Rape is rape everywhere regardless of what country laws feel. I explained my take on the culture of tsundere usage in media n how its different culturally

Ah could be a likely possibility. I didn't see that chaper this way so for me it was triggering n I hated every panel of it hahaha but besides that plot isnt out of place here. Regarding nefertem or that kid now that u mention these bits I think its a farfetched theory. . Hmmmm oh well I just thought that would explain why that orphan kid was also clean n well kept looking like a demigod child. He could really be amun.. I looked up n I can envision that happening. The chapter had sun rise whenever that kid appeared n mojito said towards end of s2 sun will be devoured by a new entity. Maybe its this kid?

Yep

Yeah, I saw that too. I don’t believe it’s a cultural thing. People do that all around the world, but you still have to get consent and if they say stop you still have to stop even if they don’t mean it. Because if you keep going when they do mean it, that’s when it’s a problem. So how are you supposed to know when they’re saying stop just to act shy or when they’re saying stop to literally stop. People who do act shy like that are still going to have times when they say stop because they want you to stop not because they’re being shy. And it also depends on the person. I think this is more of a personality thing than a cultural thing. Some people just like to act shy. Or they enjoy doing that as a kink, etc. And the fact that consent is not something that a lot of people learn whether it’s in school or from their parents, etc. means it’s something that’s really not educated on. So, a lot of people like you think even if somebody says stop, you don’t have to stop. The correct way to go about this situation if it happens to you is to stop no matter what because you cannot mind read. Consent needs to be verbal. It’s never just one thing ie. body language, clothes, etc. That’s why it’s important to get explicit permission no matter what and to take in context clues.

A phrase I learned: "if this is -indeed- a cultural thing, then it's a cultural *problem*...". As in, that one of the things I've learned is that it's much healthier to be able to reckon that cultures (YES, even cultures) can indeed have both positive and negative elements (like, how 'footbinding' was a "cultural" thing... but not many would say it was a 'positive' one. Let alone, 'human sacrifice').

Not sure why you commented this as I said this has more to do with the persons personality than culture. But, not to say culture doesn’t have any influence. It’s definitely a more common occurrence in Asian countries (specifically bc of the “act cute” or aegyo behavior trend). But, that same act of shyness accrues also because of someone’s true personality, not them trying to act a certain way. So, this isn’t just a culture thing.