Oo wow thank you for this, that's actually interesting to know
Thank you for sharing.
correction: “sadism” came from marquis de sade, who lived before masoch. he wrote very terrible books, none of which ive read aha
My bad ! "Sadism" is from Marquis de Sade, and "masochism" from Leopold Von S.M. I got confused becaused thanks the book, studies were led with more seriousness about those kinks, and the term "sadomasochism" was born along that. Thank you correcting me ! I was too sleepy to think about Sade when writing my comment, but I actually did try reading "The 120 Days of Sodom" a few months ago. It was the most disgusting thing I've ever read and I had to stop after a few pages. The amount of sexual atrocities the characters did to children and innocent people... truly traumatizing. It was the original version and reading this shit in my mother language made it even more painful for some reason. Anyway, thanks again, and good job on never reading Sade, I wish I didn't ╥﹏╥
in your defense, sacher-masoch has both S and M. i’ve made a similar mistake lolol. ive been meaning to read venus in furs actually! i have it downloaded and ready, but webtoons keep my attention easier right now lolol.
man somehow im still curious about 120 days of sodom. maybe ill find a summary or something. i imagine sade’s works dance between sexual and clinical sadism (or ig sadism broadly), whereas sacher-masoch’s is primarily sexual? no idea
120 Days of Sodom is about pure cruelty and corrupting the living with any way possible. Every disgusting character is a sex addict that enjoys running innocent ones with all their power, and almost all of them have a huge preference for virgins and kids. It's absolutely disgusting how things are described, you can actually picture the nasty old men and their dirty bodies, doing what they do. So, very sadistic and sexual in the worst way.
Venus in furs is more about a love story of a guy and the woman that embodies his kinks in the most perfect way, but she's not comfortable with sm stuff until she puts her all into it. They're torn between living as lovers or a mistress and her slave. They don't believe in choosing both, and they go to crazy extents to satisfy each other's needs, even doing things they absolutely hate. It's a pretty toxic relationship with dangerous games, but they're genuine. It's raw love mixed with obsession, with a lot of communication before they start the slavery stuff. The interesting thing is, you don't know when they're having sex, it's more described as intimate and loving moments, with lots of kisses. I haven't finished reading it yet but I'm really surprised by the absence of sex scenes when everything is so erotic
well then!!! i can see how sade’s works would inspire discussion about the human condition, cuz jesus christ!
oh now i Love eroticism, so that may be right up my alley. i guess id have to read venus in furs with the mindset of “its of its time” to get through all the toxic stuff. actually on that note, i dunno if youve read sadistic beauty, but what are your thoughts on that? from what i recall the relationships weren’t particularly healthy there either but the scenes… i felt like an untamed beast reading them back then haha
i think both sound pretty raw and unhealthy, its just that sade’s work crosses many ethical and moral lines. god thinking about it makes my head ache, genuinely it sounds like a weapon of oppression and exerting power more than a path to eroticism. eugh
These days I'm reading a famous book that I think inspired the author of this manhwa to create Richard's character. It's Venus in Furs by Leopold Von Sacher-Masoch, the author's name later got used to officially create the terms sadism and masochism btw. Richard looks so much like the main character. They both want to be the slave of a hot dom, and wish to get badly hurt by her. The more they get hurt and enslaved, the more they'll feel fulfilled and in love. They also have a strong pride yet won't hesitate to put themselves in danger to get mistreated by the dom they toxically obsess over. The book is inspired by the author's own experiences and is such a well-know reference in early bdsm studies that I'm pretty sure Richard is inspired by it