STOP THIS

i hate to be the one to break it to you but don’t you think these authors do actually enjoy writing rape and that’s why they do it? to enjoy their kinks in *fiction*? you don’t have to like it and that’s totally fair, but i think you’re deluding yourself if you think the rape in yaoi is all supposed to be for plot reasons or whatever. it’s a noncon kink, and it’s being explored in fiction where 0 people irl are harmed. if you hate noncon so much, then simply don’t read this manhwa. it’s not that deep

Nobody should like it or romanticize be it real life or fiction.And also "if you hate noncon so much,then simply don't read this manhwa.It's not that deep" is all it needs to show what kind of person you are. You are the same person who would say for woman she "liked it" when she got raped.

I don't think it is a matter of enjoyment when it comes to authors. They are just going along with market trends. Look at the most popular BLs. They know what it is selling. Rage-bating is also a profitable business strategy. "Money talks", they say.

Your first statement is somehow in agreement with what they said. Meanwhile, your last two statements are "parachuted". I shall allow myself to clarify.

I don't think accusing them of things they might have never done or do is helping your point. Making such accusations does not invalidate their point either. It just shows that you are quick at judging people.

The quote you've picked is not even telling of their person nor does it sustain your accusation. What is so far-fetched about not reading what you dislike? Sounds like common sense. How come saying that someone should not read what they dislike means that they condemns r@pe? It is a nonsensical conclusion.

Of course, what could reasonably irks people is that the tone-deaf reply of theirs. This trope is disheartening. Attempting to silence legitimate critiques by saying "just don't read it" is frustrating and does not address the elephant in the room.

I think there would be more to gain and learn from you explaining what parts of their reply is reprehensible rather than defaming them in such callous fashion.

that accusation is crazy and really telling that you are unable to separate fiction from reality, which means you are exactly the type of person who *shouldnt* read these types of stories. you think people who watch hannibal actually think cannibalism is okay in real life? or that any sort of crime thriller watcher thinks murder is okay? or that people who watch game of thrones think incest is okay? better yet, you think people who play video games and shoot NPCs think shooting people irl is okay?

fiction isn’t supposed to be representative of reality, which is why it’s fiction. it can contain uncomfortable tropes, dark fantasies that of course should never occur in reality. the greatest part about fiction is that it allows us to explore these things without hurting a single real person.

this probably isn’t going to get through to you, which is super unfortunate. i’m not saying you personally have to like any of these tropes with noncon and abuse, but insulting the authors who write this stuff and the readers who can enjoy it without getting confused between reality and fiction shows the shallow level of media literacy that seems to be plaguing the internet.

irs not tone deaf. it’s the truth. don’t read content you can’t handle. i’m not denying that the trope is disheartening and uncomfortable, but authors have the right to include rape in their work. in your perfect world, is all media completely sanitized so that we can never talk about any uncomfortable topics? the truth of the matter is, there is a community of people who can enjoy darker topics like rape, abuse, and what not in fiction and not conflate it with reality - why do you think this genre is so popular?

people like the original commenter are so frustrating because you come into content you can’t handle and then act like this fictional piece of content, this story that the author made up, is something that happened IRL. it didn’t. the author and grounded readers know that in this story, not a single person irl experienced any abuse or whatever. it’s just words of someone exploring a fantasy.

people like you are frustrating because you’re babying someone who, by coming here and reading this work of their own volition, i assume is an adult who has more than the capacity to distinguish between reality and fiction. it’s 100% reasonable to dislike rape and abuse, even in fiction, and feel uncomfortable reading it. if you weren’t properly warned of that kind of content before reading the manhwa, it’s also 100% reasonable to complain about not having been properly warned. but shitting on authors and the people who read stories is baffling.

I did not read your reply. Because I actually don't care. I was just trying to balance my take. I neither side with any of you.

Your comparisons to murder, incest, and cannibalism in fiction miss a key point. Those acts are usually portrayed as horrific, disturbing, or morally wrong within the story itself. They're not typically romanticized or framed as desirable. When Hannibal eats someone, the narrative doesn’t suggest it’s sexy. When Game of Thrones shows incest, it’s treated as shocking or taboo. These portrayals don’t blur the moral lines. They highlight them.

But with non-consensual sexual content, especially in some yaoi or manhwa, the issue is that rape is often eroticized or romanticized. It’s not just shown as a dark element. It’s sometimes presented as part of a love story or kink. That’s a very different kind of framing, and it can send confusing messages about consent and desire.

Also, rape isn’t just a fictional trope. It’s a real trauma that affects real people. When fiction treats it lightly or glamorizes it, it risks normalizing harmful ideas, like “they secretly wanted it” or “non-consent can be romantic.” That’s why this conversation matters. It’s not about confusing fiction with reality. It’s about recognizing how fiction can shape reality.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I want to explain where I was coming from a bit more clearly.

What I was trying to say is that enjoying or romanticizing r@pe even in fiction it is something I find deeply disturbing. I get that fiction can explore dark or taboo topics, but there’s a difference between exploring something critically and indulging in it for pleasure. When someone defends this kind of content by calling it “just a kink” or says “just don’t read it,” it feels like they’re brushing off the real ethical concerns that come with portraying non-consent as entertainment.

You’re right. It’s a serious thing to accuse someone of condoning real-life r@pe, and I could’ve worded that better. What I meant was that casually defending fictional r@pe as harmless and then shutting down criticism with “just don’t read it” reflects a kind of cultural numbness. It’s not about the person literally supporting r@pe, but about how that mindset can contribute to a world where non-consent is taken less seriously.

Saying “just don’t read it” isn’t a neutral response. It shuts down important conversations and makes it seem like people who are uncomfortable with r@pe tropes are just being overly sensitive. But media shapes how we think, and how we treat others. So yes, even fiction matters.

I understand why my comment came off strong, and I agree that accusing someone of something they haven’t done is serious. My intention wasn’t to defame anyone personally. It was to call out a mindset that I find deeply troubling.

Saying “just don’t read it” in response to criticism of non-consensual content isn’t neutral or harmless. It dismisses valid concerns and shuts down discussion about how media portrays serious issues like r@pe. That kind of response may not mean someone condones it, but it does reflect a lack of sensitivity to how these portrayals affect real people and shape cultural attitudes.

The comparison to “just not reading what you dislike” sounds reasonable on the surface, but when the content in question involves glamorizing trauma, it’s not just about taste. It’s about ethics. Fiction doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It influences how we think, and how we talk about consent, power, and abuse.

So yes, I could’ve worded things better. But I stand by the need to challenge how non-consent is romanticized in fiction. That’s not defamation. It’s critique. And critique should never be silenced by “just don’t read it.”

You’ve not watched Hannibal very closely if you think that it always highlights cannibalism as a negative, morally wrong way. And by your own definition, Game of Thrones (or House of Dragons) “normalizes” incest. I notice how you’re not mentioning the key example of shooting games? Where players are incentivized to shoot people? Do you think every person who plays a shooting game thinks it’s okay to shoot people IRL? Hmm?

Yeah, it’s romanticized. That’s the point. All the media I gave you examples to also romanticize the darker themes. Hannibal, which you seem not to have watched closely, romanticizes cannablism and murder (the main character himself partakes and enjoys it, so do the side characters as a means of catharsis). When media portrays stuff in certain way, for whatever narrative or personal reason, it’s up to the user to interpret it however they want. People who live in reality don’t absorb every single message they interpret from a piece of media and automatically make it their way of living. You can read a piece of fiction that explores a kink, be like ‘oh clearly this is someone who exploring their kink’, and NOT draw the conclusion that this is okay in fiction. Any normal, rational adult can do that. Children can have trouble with it, but they shouldn’t be reading this sort of stuff to begin with anyway.

I never said rape isn’t real. The same way murder is very real, and cannablism is very real, and abuse is very real. But no person who has the cognitive ability to not let fiction guide their moral compass is letting this sort of fiction “shape their reality”. That’s literally why I’m saying the people who can’t handle this stuff and children shouldn’t read it. You *are* confusing fiction with reality, or we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

Also saying that “a conversation” matters when the first thing you did was accuse me of being the person who would say a woman “liked” it after being sexually assaulted is hilarious and disgusting, when all I was talking about was exploring tropes in fiction. I’m not bothering with you any more, this conversation is a dead end

Your stance is indeed more articulated; I knew what you meant, but it was just so painful to read that I felt compelled to interject. I can tell that both sides have compelling arguments; it is not an "I am right, you are wrong" issue. Both positions are not inherently exclusive or wrong to be begin with. On this note, I shall withdraw. I do not have the fortitude nor will to entertain such debate.