i lowkey only read yaoi for the ukes, and this manhwa reminds me of why i do that… sejin...

tofuyaoi September 7, 2025 1:32 pm

i lowkey only read yaoi for the ukes, and this manhwa reminds me of why i do that… sejin you deserve so much. (T_T)

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    cutekittensmeow September 7, 2025 1:37 pm

    ... What?

    Sejin is a thief who belongs in prison. He is a terrible person. He has no redeeming qualities at all. Every single time he's given a choice he always chooses the selfish option. He has never once thought of anyone but himself or done anything for anyone but himself.

    He stole from his husband because he thought he would benefit from it. He thought he would be rewarded by his family for stealing so he stole. He knew it was wrong, he knew it would deeply hurt his husband, he didn't care because he thought he would be rewarded.

    He hid the theft from his husband even after he found out he wouldn't be rewarded because he thought he could get more out of his marriage if his husband didn't know. He knew if he told his husband about the theft his husband could mitigate the damage but he didn't because he thought he would benefit more from not telling him. He knew telling his husband would be the best thing for his husband but he thought not telling him would be better for himself so he made the choice that was better for himself. He always makes the choice that's better for himself.

    We know everything I just said is true because we see Sejin's thoughts clearly. That's exactly what he was thinking when he did those things.

    Sejin has not once in this entire series done anything for anyone else. He has always done the most selfish thing that he can in every situation.

    That doesn't mean he deserves to be raped. He deserves to go to prison. No one deserves to be raped. All of the torture that's happening to him is undeserved, no one no matter what they do ever deserves to be treated like this. He just deserves to go to prison and to live the rest of his life alone because he is a terrible person.

    ughloveyou September 7, 2025 2:07 pm

    Ewww what

    Hyourin September 7, 2025 2:08 pm
    ... What?Sejin is a thief who belongs in prison. He is a terrible person. He has no redeeming qualities at all. Every single time he's given a choice he always chooses the selfish option. He has never once thou... cutekittensmeow

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    ughloveyou September 7, 2025 2:09 pm

    Ugh I replied to the wrong person pls ignore it

    Soup-King September 7, 2025 2:20 pm
    ... What?Sejin is a thief who belongs in prison. He is a terrible person. He has no redeeming qualities at all. Every single time he's given a choice he always chooses the selfish option. He has never once thou... cutekittensmeow

    Have you ever heard of unreliable narrators? Sejin has always done everything he's done because he wants to be loved and have a family. Even if his family is awful he would have trusted them more than his husband who's he's known like 2 months and sees maybe twice a week. Selfish my ass, he's desperate. He feels incredibly guilty when he does this too. He's put in an impossible situation and he's scared. And as we see in the first timeline he has every right to be. Istg this better just be rage bait I fell for cuz I refuse to believe you actually believe this.

    ughloveyou September 7, 2025 2:22 pm
    ... What?Sejin is a thief who belongs in prison. He is a terrible person. He has no redeeming qualities at all. Every single time he's given a choice he always chooses the selfish option. He has never once thou... cutekittensmeow

    This is so one sided bfr "selfish"?! Sejin is selfish? Calling Sejin selfish completely ignores the trauma that shaped him. He wasn’t just some greedy man chasing rewards he was a child abandoned, adopted into an abusive household, and constantly told he was worthless and defective. Every action he takes is rooted in that lifelong hunger to finally be loved and accepted by the only family he had left, even if they were toxic. Wanting love and trying to survive in such a cruel environment isn’t fckin selfish it’s human. he made mistakes yes, but to reduce him to “a thief with no redeeming qualities” is unfair. His choices were born out of fear, manipulation, and desperation, not malice. Condemning him without acknowledging the abuse he endured strips away the nuance of his character and the tragedy of his story, is just pure maddening

    ughloveyou September 7, 2025 2:25 pm
    ... What?Sejin is a thief who belongs in prison. He is a terrible person. He has no redeeming qualities at all. Every single time he's given a choice he always chooses the selfish option. He has never once thou... cutekittensmeow

    And honestly, the way you keep glazing over his husband like he’s some flawless saint is just as annoying as how harshly you judge Sejin.

    BL!!! September 7, 2025 2:30 pm
    ... What?Sejin is a thief who belongs in prison. He is a terrible person. He has no redeeming qualities at all. Every single time he's given a choice he always chooses the selfish option. He has never once thou... cutekittensmeow

    I get your point of view, but self-preservation is not a malicious act. It doesn't make you a selfish person, if you try to lookout for yourself in a world, where nobody else does. Even if you end up commiting a petty crime as a result. He didn't physically harm anyone and he didn't do those things to gain anything other than love, attention and approval from people who treated him like trash his entire life. The only people, who really belong in prison, are both his adoptive and biological fathers.

    Just_NAKki September 7, 2025 2:57 pm
    ... What?Sejin is a thief who belongs in prison. He is a terrible person. He has no redeeming qualities at all. Every single time he's given a choice he always chooses the selfish option. He has never once thou... cutekittensmeow

    just stfu u psycho

    cutekittensmeow September 7, 2025 4:25 pm
    And honestly, the way you keep glazing over his husband like he’s some flawless saint is just as annoying as how harshly you judge Sejin. ughloveyou

    This is the problem. This comment right here is the problem.

    I didn't glaze over anything. I never excused anything Ido or his family did. I never excused anything Sejin's family did either. Sejin being a terrible person is completely separate from all of that.

    Wrong is wrong is wrong. Bad people are bad people even if other people are worse than them. Hitler existing doesn't somehow make Netanyahu a saint. One wrong does not erase another wrong.

    Sejin is a bad person who at every opportunity made the most selfish choice possible. He never once did anything for anyone but himself.

    He stole because he wanted to be rewarded.

    He didn't confess because he wanted his husband to protect him from his family.

    You can make up excuses for this behavior, but we were there. We saw his thoughts. We know exactly why he did what he did. He told us he did it because he wanted the benefits. He intentionally and deliberately did things he knew were incredibly wrong and he did them because he thought they would benefit him.

    People are defending it saying "he felt guilty!" But he didn't feel guilty enough to do the right thing. Even though he felt guilty he still chose to do the wrong thing every single time. People are saying "he did it for his family!" Yeah, that's literally what I said. He did it because he wanted his family to reward him. He didn't do it because he thought it would help his family, he did it because he wanted them to reward him. He wasn't being self-sacrificing for his family, he just wanted a reward lol.

    When someone breaks into your house and steals everything you own they're doing it because they want a reward. When someone steals your car they're doing it because they want a reward. They'll probably feel bad about it, but feeling bad about it won't stop them and it won't get you your stuff back. They probably have a terrible home life, why would they be stealing otherwise, but that's not going to stop them and it's not going to get you your stuff back.

    You all defend this man but if you were married to him and he treated you the way that he treated Ido you would divorce him and testify against him in his criminal trial.

    ughloveyou September 7, 2025 4:39 pm
    This is the problem. This comment right here is the problem. I didn't glaze over anything. I never excused anything Ido or his family did. I never excused anything Sejin's family did either. Sejin being a ter... cutekittensmeow

    You keep framing this like Sejin is just some random thief breaking into houses for “rewards,” but that completely strips away the context of his life. He wasn’t stealing for luxury or greed, he was desperately clawing for scraps of validation from a family that had abused and manipulated him his entire life. Comparing his trauma-driven choices to a car thief is honestly such a bad faith take. You keep shouting “wrong is wrong” while completely ignoring the years of abuse and trauma that explain why Sejin makes those choices. Also be fucking for real, throwing Hitler and Netanyahu into a BL debate is so absurd it makes your whole argument impossible to take seriously.

    ughloveyou September 7, 2025 4:41 pm
    This is the problem. This comment right here is the problem. I didn't glaze over anything. I never excused anything Ido or his family did. I never excused anything Sejin's family did either. Sejin being a ter... cutekittensmeow

    And you don’t sound insightful, you just sound like a KNOW IT ALL

    ughloveyou September 7, 2025 4:46 pm
    This is the problem. This comment right here is the problem. I didn't glaze over anything. I never excused anything Ido or his family did. I never excused anything Sejin's family did either. Sejin being a ter... cutekittensmeow

    And if I were married to him, I’d also know the years of abuse and manipulation he went through, not just reduce him to his worst mistakes the way you keep doing.

    Soup-King September 7, 2025 5:14 pm
    This is the problem. This comment right here is the problem. I didn't glaze over anything. I never excused anything Ido or his family did. I never excused anything Sejin's family did either. Sejin being a ter... cutekittensmeow

    Calling him purely selfish is also just straight wrong. If he was purely selfish he wouldn't have let his body guard hang out around him and he wouldn't have noticed his bodyguard likes the beta girl who taught him perfuming. He also wouldn't be working on a perfume with his scent for Ido. In the first timeline he didn't have ANYONE at all. He was married strictly on paper and even the staff wanted the bare minimum to nothing to do with him. He doesn't act selfishly to be selfish he does it to protect himself. He himself TELLS the reader he doesn't have any opinions because he's never been in a situation where he could. He's in a situation where he can be abandoned at the slightest hint of failure. As an omega without "proper" pheromones it's a miracle his "family" didn't abandon him then and there. He's hyper aware of this and it's the reason he's on survival mode 24/7 in the og timeline. Because Ido has been trying to atone in the second timeline Sejin feels safer and more free to form relationships with others. He's "selfish" out of survival dumbass. It's called self preservation.

    cutekittensmeow September 7, 2025 6:44 pm
    You keep framing this like Sejin is just some random thief breaking into houses for “rewards,” but that completely strips away the context of his life. He wasn’t stealing for luxury or greed, he was despe... ughloveyou

    He was stealing for luxury and greed, lol.

    You're forgetting that he is rich. He's a rich man from a good family, with a good job, a good reputation, and a good resume. He had been the executive director of his company for years making a great salary without having to spend any money on his living expenses because he lived with his family who paid for everything for him.

    He was already rich independently of his family and had resources independently of his family... But being independent of his family would be more difficult and less luxurious so he didn't want that.

    You're right, he's not stealing bread to feed his starving child. He's stealing corporate secrets because he doesn't want to lose his diamond spoon. He's an entitled spoiled rich kid committing corporate espionage in order to be rewarded by his rich family.

    I don't understand why people are acting like he's so desperate and pitiful. He's not. He was never desperate or pitiful. All he had to do was walk away and he'd be fine, he has more resources than you or I will ever have.

    Also your pretending like stealing is okay because what Ido does is worse. You're wrong. Stealing is wrong regardless of anything anyone else does. Of course I bring up a more extreme situation like Hitler and Netanyahu as an example of how one extreme wrong doesn't excuse a slightly less extreme wrong. One wrong does not erase the other. You don't get to be forgiven just because someone did something terrible to you. Terrible people can be raped and that doesn't mean they're suddenly not terrible people. Se

    cutekittensmeow September 7, 2025 6:47 pm
    And if I were married to him, I’d also know the years of abuse and manipulation he went through, not just reduce him to his worst mistakes the way you keep doing. ughloveyou

    You're lying.

    You would not stay with someone who stole from you and then spent months lying to your face about it. Especially when they get caught and just shrug.

    You also wouldn't know about his years of abuse and manipulation because Sejin never told anyone. You wouldn't know. All you would know is that your husband stole from you and shrugged when he was caught, lol.

    There's no way you would stay with him. Don't lie to yourself, lol.

    cutekittensmeow September 7, 2025 6:52 pm
    Calling him purely selfish is also just straight wrong. If he was purely selfish he wouldn't have let his body guard hang out around him and he wouldn't have noticed his bodyguard likes the beta girl who taught... Soup-King

    Sejin is rich.

    You're all forgetting that this is a rich man. He has been the executive director or whatever of his family's company for years. He has been making an incredibly high salary without having to spend any money on living expenses because his family pays for everything for like a decade now.

    You're making all this up about a rich man.

    He's not in a situation where he'll be homeless and destitute. If he walked away BEFORE THE THEFT he would still be a millionaire with a great education, a great resume, and a great reputation.

    All this desperation that you're coming up with is just made up. Sejin has more resources than you or I will ever have. He's in a better place than you or I will ever be. (Don't pretend like you're some millionaire, your pirating manhwa that cost like $0.50 lol. We know you aren't.)

    The only reason he says he has no options is because he doesn't want to give up his diamond spoon. If he walked away and became truly independent from his family then he would just be upper middle class. All of this happened because he didn't want to give up his luxurious lifestyle. He didn't want to go out and get a regular job and live in a regular apartment.

    He didn't steal bread because he was starving. He committed corporate espionage because he didn't want to stop being part of the one percent, lol.

    Soup-King September 7, 2025 7:45 pm
    Sejin is rich. You're all forgetting that this is a rich man. He has been the executive director or whatever of his family's company for years. He has been making an incredibly high salary without having to spe... cutekittensmeow

    A big paycheck doesn't outweigh emotional trauma dude. Honestly you just sound jealous and him being rich has nothing to do with anything. Also he's most likely not in charge of his own financials. His "Father" has repeatedly told him he can take away his current life and guilt trips him with repaying him. Imagine you're a child who's barely maybe 10 years old.

    You're starving, about to freeze to death and by a miracle you get picked up by a rich family. You do everything for that family, the only thing you have going for you is that one day you can maybe give them an heir by being married off. Then you find out that even with that you're "flawed". You feel like you've just wasted your saviors time and money. So you make it up to them in any way possible because if you do then at least they won't abandon you.

    Now flash forward several years later. You're an adult and despite feeling like you're "flawed goods" you can help your saviors company by marrying into another one. You feel that you owe it to them to be a perfect doll because YOUR opinions don't matter you can only do as they say and pray they don't cut you off entirely. Yes he's rich. However do you really think he can survive on his own after that? Imagine they cut him off. His reputation is ruined, no company he's qualified for wants to touch a ticking time bomb.

    In a country that WILL look down on you for being an orphan or having a bio parent sell you off to another family. He doesn't give a shit about the money his one and only concern the entire series is that he wants to survive and hangs onto hope his family might one day love him. It's undeniable he stole, this is a fact. But in his perspective he had no way of knowing Ido's company could take a huge hit from that. It's a product IDEA at the time.

    It's only valuable if you can actually make something of it. It barely even counts as corporate espionage. He also is only doing it because hes under the assumption that since he's MARRIED to the VP both companies would be on mutual ground. Because that's what the MARRIAGE WAS FOR. If the marriage fails not only does the company suffer but since it would be "his fault" it would be the perfect excuse for his family to get rid of him completely.

    He's not even part of the 1 percent as you put it anyway cuz his father's company is actively struggling and that's why he's being married off. He's terrified to tell Ido about it because he has no way of knowing how he will react. In the first timeline he met with him maybe a few times a month. If he tells him what he's done he has no idea what would happen to him or his family. For all he knows he could be beaten half to death for it at worst.

    They're practically strangers at that point, aquatinted at most. And unless you didn't actually read you'll know that Sejin WANTED to tell him but couldn't find the right time to say it. And to make matters worse his father FRAMES him for embezzlement because he didn't give him exactly what he wanted. Like you said Ido is within his rights to divorce him. But he doesn't in the first timeline.

    Instead of just simply getting a divorce he basically confined him to the house with staff who doesn't care about him. And it's because of that that it's way more than he deserved. He stole? Ok just put him in prison and divorce him that's easy. But they don't do that.

    They don't send him to prison or divorce him. There's no reason they need to be married anymore. Instead they punish him in their own way. He can't even go outside without someone watching him. He's BEEN abandoned. Framed for embezzlement, his "brother" is attracted to him and he's so repulsed he can't even look at him.

    There's no place he can even run away too because he's trapped. He's alone in a house where even people assigned to watch him won't talk to him. That's way beyond what a "thief" deserves dude.

    "He's a rich man" "You're feeling bad about a rich man" Jesus dude shut the fuck up is that your only argument? "He stole when he has money he's irredeemable." You know how fucking insane you sound right?

    ughloveyou September 7, 2025 11:23 pm
    Sejin is rich. You're all forgetting that this is a rich man. He has been the executive director or whatever of his family's company for years. He has been making an incredibly high salary without having to spe... cutekittensmeow

    Why tf do you keep dismissing Sejin’s abuse just because he’s rich? Trauma doesn’t disappear with money you must be sick in the head to think it does. And where exactly does it say he was stealing for “luxury”? He did it because the only person he ever saw as a father figure manipulated him into it. Maybe Sejin’s character is just too complex for someone who reads him as flat as you do. All this long-ass reply and the only thing you can harp on is “money lol.”

    ughloveyou September 7, 2025 11:24 pm
    Sejin is rich. You're all forgetting that this is a rich man. He has been the executive director or whatever of his family's company for years. He has been making an incredibly high salary without having to spe... cutekittensmeow

    You sound obsessed with money like it’s the only thing that matters. Sejin’s abuse and trauma clearly fly over your head, so you just keep repeating ‘he’s rich, he’s rich’ like a broken record. And that weak pirating manhwa jab? Please. You wrote a whole essay just to prove you don’t understand the character at all.