Love the fact that that’s also what you focused on too. I guess you like disrespecting people over fictional stories just like the person you’re replying to. I simply won’t care to have a conversation with someone who won’t stop at the insults. They need to learn how to speak to people if they want to have a debate first and foremost. I also DID answer them since they clearly missed my main point and had no actual relevance to what I was saying. You and the other person really are odd for getting this riled up over a fictional story and think it’s okay to be rude. Y’all are the exact reason BL readers have such a bad rep.
And this is for you too since you clearly like running to one side but also not reading anything properly. This is the quote I clearly said to them:
“Here’s an important point that you seem to not have read at all: I literally said Hyesung has every right to not forgive and not ever meet his own mother. So just by the fact that you thought I said “Hyesung should forgive,” tells me you don’t read properly.”
Yall can’t see anything but Hyesung in your eyes. You jump to defend him but your brain can’t handle anything else other than praise or defense. You can’t even calm down and think about other ppl’s opinion or perspective without being triggered by it.
Anyways since a lot of you in here seem to not understand my comment at all and can only think to come to hyesung’s defense without reading properly or thinking. I will restate my main point for everyone to hopefully understand. Anyone else who keeps arguing after this clearly just wants me to worship the ground Hyesung walks on and turn my brain off:
MY POINT IS Hyesung has EVERY RIGHT to NOT FORGIVE and CHOOSE NEVER TO SEE HIS OWN MOM. He has THE RIGHT TO BE HURT. I never disagreed with that, and notice how I never mentioned ‘he shouldn’t be hurt’ by what byul did. HE HAS THE RIGHT TO BE UPSET. IM ALSO NOT DEFENDING THE GRANDMA. IDGAF ABOUT THE GRANDMA. What I care about is considering BYUL’S POV too. The main conclusion was that I think HYESUNG SHOULD CHOOSE NEVER TO FORGIVE, while BYUL GETS TO CHOOSE IF HE WANTS TO CONTINUE MEETING HER AFTER THE KNOWING THE FULL TRUTH. I never said Hyesung should be happy or forgive his mom. I simply said Hyesung should allow the child to know and choose what he wants to do when it comes to letting someone in his life.
Anything else that seemed like I was defending the grandma like mentioning how Dojin is a similar case where he hurt Hyesung and was forgiven, was to bring up hypocrisy on the READERS part. Like how Dojin is a rapist and forced him to give birth, but readers forgave him (or turned a blind eye) and continued reading the entire series.
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Anyways it’s shocking that only like 2 people max in this comments section was respectful enough to simply talk about the actual fictional story. Reunion_is_peak and jaedan are actual decent human beings who can talk about a story without insults or being rude. Everyone else here has to chill the fuck out and get that stick out of their ass.
Is the "insult"in the room with us? You want to know what real insult and being rude are? I pity your child so damn much, clearly you're a young parent that is yet to develop maturely. You did answer them with the most irrelevant answers, like Hye's mother. What? Birds of a feather, flock together? You addressed one point and ignored ALL the others claimining that you're educating them how you use those terms properly. Is that even our main point?
"Getting riled up", ohh I could say the same thing... really really. I just laughed, what did you mean by that ohh, is this what you called "Projecting your hate to others"?
"Y'all are the reason why BL readers have such a bad rep." Why? Because we don't victim blame and also because we understand where Hye is coming from? Bad people I tell you.
Fyi, you came onto me first by saying I was disrespectful and rude towards you when you're the one who's doing it, that's what's disrespectful. "I don't understand your grammar yada yada" is that proper to say? Really really funny.
What you said makes sense, nonsense.
"Can't see anything other than Hye"? Wow, really. Guys! I think this person is Byul's grandma hiding behind a fake account! Piece of time already made a clear point why Byul and Dojin already made a big mistake. Byul went out of his way to communicate with someone his mother loathe behind his back. Dojin... no one even like him now, what do you mean by "Can't se anything bla bla bla". My vocabulary is slowly slithering away. I'm lost for words. You have a knack for making people speechless, I'll give you that.
Just read Piece of time's long reply, but try to comprehend it this time.
Ehehe insults
Read the last reply (the one directly above). Hopefully it gets through to you for once.
Anyways it seems you have a history of not reading everything too. If you were you’d know they called me insults before I even mentioned their grammar lmfao. Their very first comment insult me and called me names. You and the other person also are not getting my main point and you both are complaining to me that I’m not talking about yours? I was simply talking about the story first but when yall start to get personal and assume shit about me, that’s when I start giving that same energy back. Y’all are rude ass human beings who can’t have a debate peacefully without insulting the other person. It’s genuinely disgusting how rude you guys are over a fictional story. I also didn’t come onto you first because you were throwing shade at me, replying to others under my comment without even having the balls to directly talk to me.
Yeah. Their argument is so funny. It was peak level gaslighting. Focusing on irrelevant thing thing to make a point just to prove their argument valid just makes them exhausting.
Because I find it funny? Ehehehehe funny. Not getting your main point? Well that's true, that's why we have our whole debate here right? Because they argued back why Byul is also why Hye is not in wrong for Hye not wanting his child to interact with clearly a monster of a person who can fathom to leave her own child with an abuser she got first hand experienced from and blaming a child for not finding her instead of just apologizing properly. Now tell me. How could a parent want their child to communicate with someone that left you to die? That's why we have our parents to begin with, they teach and guide us as we grow old. We can only say that your point is indeed correct when Hye's reasons are baseless and nonsense.
That's why POT is so adamant to argue back because you are blaming or asking Hye or parents not to project their hatred to their child and let the child judge for themselves. That's just bad parenting, not unless, like what I've said, their reasons are NONSENSE.
Wait, I'll surrender myself before the grammar police comes at me. I did not notice my first paragraph going all over the place.
In addition pla, it's not proper to break your mom's heart for a person you've just practically met.
Honey, I don’t know how many times I have to tell you this, but I never disregarded hyesung’s feelings. I said his feelings were valid from the very start. Hyesung has the right to be mad, upset, hurt, and never speak with his mom.
Parents guide their children but they shouldn’t also dictate and have actual power to control their child’s decision. I simply said byul has the right to make his own choice. That’s it. I don’t understand why you seem to be so stubborn thinking I want Hyesung to forgive and forget or something. That was never my point. My point is, a child is a being who grows up and makes their own decision at the end of the day. Every human being on this earth should have that right. I only ever wanted Hyesung to give his child that right, while also fully informing him.
Let me just add that I never said byul was right for what he did. Obviously he shouldn’t have snuck behind their backs or talked to Hyesung like that. But you have to consider that byul was ALSO hurt like Hyesung in that moment and ALSO regretted what he said. A teenager acting out like this is a very common occurrence in most teenagers at some point in their life. Byul found out some info about his birth, was hurt, and wanted to try understanding it by talking to the grandma who did something even slightly similar. He wanted to know the details that Hyesung also wouldn’t talk about.
He should have been taught and informed by his own parents of the situation in the first place to even prevent this from happening. It was a given that this would happen eventually when they kept him in the dark about it.
I'm aware you never disregarded his feelings, and I never mentioned anything about forgiveness, right? But you also said that Byul gets to decide for himself—what are parents even for? Displays? That grandma is not right in the head. It's completely understandable why Hye doesn't want his family to have anything to do with her. I also mentioned that, yes, a child should make decisions on their own when their parents are unreasonable, but in this story's case, Hye has every reason to do so. And that's why none of your repliers agree with you. You really won't survive in an Asian household.
Parents are there to GUIDE and teach, not there to dictate and make decisions for their children. There’s a big difference. Hyesung should be able to tell byul everything about the details of what happened and tell byul how he feels about the grandma and about how he feels about byul seeing her. But that final decision still is byul’s and byul’s alone. No one can control another human being because that person will do what they want regardless. Also idk why you’re bringing that up when I’m also literally Asian lmfao.
Yes, that is why people are getting mad. Readers practically call themselves his grandmas and aunties. Yes, let us not invalidate his feelings, but his mother came back and gave him all the love and care a child could ask for. It’s just invalidating all the years he spent with his mom because of those two months of abandonment. He grew up in a complete family. If he wants resolution, then he should talk it out with his family and make them understand that he has the right to know what happened that day. Since Byul grew up with loving parents, it’s not like Hye and Dojin will say, "Oh yeah, it’s because you were a seed of impregnation." Still, they can help him understand with a different explanation, he doesn’t need to seek strangers fir it. Only if he sits down with it with his parents.
I see no dictation happening here. Byul
Did your comment get cut off? Anyways I’m not saying Hyesung actually was dictating. I’m saying it in response to you talking about “in general parents should-“ I’m talking about what you mentioned about parents in general making decisions for their kids, is dictating in a way even if it’s not extreme.
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My replies kept sending without my consent. As I mentioned before, a parent is both a guide and a teacher to their child. Children grow their own wings, but parents teach them how to fly. I believe children need boundaries to help them make their own decisions in life. Since they are minors, parents have the responsibility to tell them what they should or shouldn’t do. However, this only applies as long as the boundaries are reasonable.
There’s no such thing as Byul’s decisions being solely his own when those decisions will hurt someone close to him, and he is aware of that. I deeply respect my family, especially my parents, because I grew up surrounded by their love and guidance. They always encouraged me to express my thoughts and ask questions when I didn’t understand something.
Byul, on the other hand, also grew up with love and a lot of freedom, and his mother is always ready to come to his aid. Yet, he doesn’t show him the respect he deserves.
Sorry but both sides are valid in this argument. It’s clear a lot of yall aren’t parents and don’t plan to be any time soon. As a parent, you shouldn’t dictate who your child can stay close with as family (unless that other person is a danger to them). Projecting your bad relationship with your mom/dad to make your child not like them right off the bat, isn’t a good thing. That’s telling them who they should hate, etc. without the child learning for themself and also denying them another person who potentially could care for them.
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An EASIER way to say this is: it’s exactly like how divorced parents act. One parent tells their kid that the other parent is bad- which denies them a relationship with the other parent. Sure their romantic relationship could have turned out terrible, and the other party may be a bad partner but that doesn’t automatically mean they’re bad in other relationships. (Ex: bad husband, but good father). The child should be free to stay in touch if they want.
Hyesung is free to hate and never forgive his mother. That’s his own choice and no one should tell him to forgive her if he doesn’t want to. But he shouldn’t ban byul from seeing her just cause of his own feelings. He should be able to tell byul the reason and that he was hurt by his mother. But at the end of the day, byul should be the one decide if he keeps in contact with the grandma. It is his life and his relationships to choose. Dojin at least understood that part by allowing Byul to choose to see the grandma. It’s clear this story tells you about how even when one person has done something bad, they can change eventually. Hyesung forgave and got together with Dojin. He should be able to understand Byul’s pov since he went through a similar experience.