“saved”

Was finna say “it’s just a story” but that would make me a hypocrite bc I actually agree. The writing is a little shit, especially as of late, bc why did everyone get character development but Eclise?? It’s been pissing me off, especially bc we are only supposed to have like 10 more chapters till the end!! Penelope has been pissing me off too, bc why not just him? You instead left him to suffer more bc of ur stupidity and your frustration, all bc you think it’s just a game to you, and then have some stupid spiel about being worried and feeling off about a decision you’ve made multiple times?? It’s like they’re trying to rush to finish the story, and in doing that, they’re forgetting a lot of stuff and creating plot holes. Not to mention her dad is also stupid, and so is everyone else but the prince. These characters are pissing me off, even if it is just a story, bc now I’m over here wasting my time on a story that’s gonna have a shitty ending. If she also doesn’t have a single ounce of character development or take something away from the experience, then what was the point of the story? I’m getting pissed at ts bro like imma let ts marinate for a few months and come back after it's done

exactlyy. it’s just so annoying how authors only use the way reincarnated mc’s don’t view other characters as actual people in a sense that victimizes them, or makes them insecure or feeling undeserving of something good. but they never acknowledge how they straight up dehumanize other characters because they don’t consider them as real people.

Just know that i love you for saying this out loud. General comprehensive skills has been long gone from some people here. Genuinely falling for plot holes and eating wtv is served to them without questioning anything

Penelope didnt “re-enslave” Eclise, let’s not rewrite the plot. She bought him because that was literally the only option the world gave her, not because she was trying to play hero. People keep throwing modern morality onto a world where shes basically walking through a death trap every day. Thats just misunderstanding the whole premise.
Eclise isnt acting UNHINGED because the author felt like making him “insane.” His obsession is baked into the otome game system itself, the favorability mechanics crank everything up way past normal, especially for someone with his background. And did we forget that she’s on hard mode???? Penelope stepping back wasn’t cruelty either, it was survival. The more attached he got, the more dangerous that route became…….and no? the story isn’t brushing her mistakes away either? The whole point is how messy and morally gray everything gets when she’s trying to survive in a broken world with rigged rules. Calling that “bad writing” just means you’re ignoring what the narrative is actually doing. Yikes.

Agreed. Who's saying that Penelope is good? She herself doesn't think like that. She never deserved what happened to her and neither did the characters who were hurt by her for her selfish reasons.
Eclis was a crazy guy to begin with and Penelope kinda contributed in making him crazy for her. Of course she didn't know he'd turn out that way. He himself was purposely playing along with her, knowing that she was desperate. They just have a tragic relationship.
Of course, the story could have turned out differently if the author wanted it, but I just don't like how some people just assume that Penelope is liked by others because she's good? I personally like this because it's humanly messy..

Don’t get me wrong, the story itself has a shit ton of potential. And I also don’t agree with vi atomizing Eclise either bc at the end of the day he is just crazy fkn person has been from day one even before she was reincarnated as Penelope. And there are a few plot holes. And yes the story is pretty good and is interpreted fairly accurately from the perspective of her playing Penelope in a game, but the the part that I co sided bad writing is the constant lack of character development in MULTIPLE characters. The o my character that has major development is the prince. It’s been like 200 episodes and almost all of them still have the exact same internalized voice from chapter one. It’s centered around denial and a tsundere type of character for each person making them appear to be incredibly flat. No matter how many situations we are given that “shows” character development, after said arc they still appear to be the same person on the inside and the outside. It take character developmental slow burning to a whole other level. It’s repetitive, and barely escalates beyond a certain point, which I’m sure is thanks to the game itself and not the writing, but even then, if they have next to zero character development or take absolutely nothing away from the experience, then it’s just a waste of writing. If she returns back to her world, and boom they were just a dream, the prince or whoever she chooses doesn’t go back to her world or she doesn’t stay in their world, or wtv, and boom she just woke up from a coma and continues ab her life as she did before without talking to her actual family, then wtf is the point of the story at all?? And I don’t know if that is what gonna happen but considering we have a very small amount of chapters left till the end and we are essentially still in square one or two of fifty it seems unlike she will change at all. The issue I have with the writing is the flat characters, the constant back tracking, and the stiff endings to most of the arcs they have. I understand what the story itself is trying to convey, the writing and storytelling of said execution just sucks. That’s all just the execution is a little flawed. I filed are making the clam tha it is all based on the game and separating the comic from the initial game, then the game she was playing and sucked into was poorly written and that’s all.

You’re right, it is humanly messy and it is realistic if you were put in her situation would you make the same decisions? Ik I probably would lmao I don’t wanna die. Butttt that’s also probably why I don’t like it as much, it’s bc it is humanly messy. And unfortunately I don’t like the human aspect of it, bc human beings are fucking stupid and close minded, so that’s probably why I don’t like any of the characters besides the prince, it’s bc they are closed minded and simpletons that only think of themselves. Very unfortunate

Once upon a time I didn't use to like psychological or dark themed stories because they made my head hurt but I guess I got used to it. Penelope often gets tunnel visioned because of her trauma and depression. On the other hand, the prince is praiseworthy indeed. He knows what he wants and is straightforward with it. Other characters were unbelievably close minded and barely had character development. I'm just glad it isn't like a certain story where the characters kept suffering constantly.

Everyone does have their own preferences Art is meant to be subjective so that makes sense

if you buy a slave then do nothing to change their circumstances then yes. you have a slave. she factually just re-enslaved him. she didn’t formally hire him, she didn’t buy him and then give him any form of autonomy or consideration for his needs and wants, she didn’t support him so he could build his own life. she took him in as a pet to flirt with on occasion and to farm affection from until she realized it was an inconvenient route. she could’ve just not gotten involved with him instead of deciding to half commit to him.

it IS bad writing, the way they’re handling a slave character is disgusting. deciding to go a route where his obsession and insanity is built into the game can absolutely be read as them trying to make people forget penelope’s mistakes by inadvertently justifying them. even though she bought him, and made the decision to be responsible for him, therefore his actions and his life, this route allows them to separate eclise’s actions into his own because “he’s just an in game character who’s going insane”, and not “this noble woman, who has prior knowledge of future events because of reincarnation, completely mishandles a person who needed professional care”.

you can’t say she didn’t do morally questionable stuff then claim the point was to make morally questionable decisions. penelope is selfish, she’s not going to take any real accountability for ruining this man’s life, but instead of really diving into it, the story is going to get brushed off as “wow, what an insane guy, glad he’s dead!” instead of “wow penelope, you really fucked up”, and it’s ALREADY being treated this way because penelope claims she saved him, gave a half baked apology and then the crown prince jumps in with a “wowie, what a dick for not being greatful”. instead of “penelope, this man was your responsibility, how’d you let it get this bad”.

penelope not being a fundamentally good person isn’t the issue i’m having. it’s the way her mistakes are going to be brushed off, and not given any actual weight. she will have her happy ending and be comforted by her knight in shining armor by the end of the story, yet eclise who had a timeline where he had a normal life going for him ends up dead because of her poor planning.

eclise is by definition a victim, he’s a slave and is bought by penelope. in fact, the entire is straight up grooming on penelope’s part, seeing as she’s in such a high position of power over him and is trying to (half assedly) romance him.

Deadass you have a way with words the way you clarify and articulate yourself rly puts emphasis on your prospective and I actually agree with you there. If we were treating this as if it were reality and you get bought by a rich Nobel lady who pretended she was in love with you but actually was just using you for wtv reason amusement or wtv and was secretly bumping cop he’d with the crown prince who essentially enslaved you and killed your family, and everyone is in her side bc you’re merely a slave, shit I would be pissed tf off too I’d be lighting shit up. The issue does lie with the accountability on her end, she’s kinda a bitch, no?

Damn, I'm impressed
You have a very good point.

thank you, i’m glad i was able get my point across :’)