Here's the truth, even if people don't want to admit it to themselves here. Many people ...

zippycappypappy December 9, 2025 7:22 pm

Here's the truth, even if people don't want to admit it to themselves here.

Many people here view bottoming as an act of emasculation or feminization. Something done *to* the bottom. The bottom has his masculinity stripped from him when he gets fucked. But that's not an issue because for most of these kinds of readers, the bottom is functionally a reader-insert for their sexual fantasies and since they are women, they are not tied to the bottom's masculinity (see "Top Privilege" and why generally, seme based actors in queer media get more following than uke based actors).

If their preffered seme bottoms, then their sexual fantasy is tarnished. Their ideal macho dom man is "turned into a woman" - he is "feminized". And these readers CANNOT have that for their sexual fantasy. Because they can never accept queerness that transcends their heteronormative ideas of sex and relationships. To them, and for them, queerness is a medium of fulfilling their sexual fantasies by projecting heteronormative roles onto two men. That's all queerness is to them. There exists no equal relationship between two guys. Its between one guy (the "man" and object of fantasy), and the other guy (the "woman" and reader-insert). If you've watched her asian dramas, you will instantly see where every Yaoi/BL trope comes from and what moulds the demands the readers have for yaoi dynamics.

Anyways, that's my woke essay.

Responses
    jdhdhd December 9, 2025 7:23 pm

    i’m woke enough for this

    MangaMom December 9, 2025 7:24 pm

    Thank you for putting this into words I was just ranting to my friend about this because I couldn't figure out why them switching would be a problem

    Tonikaku December 9, 2025 7:39 pm

    Yep. the bottom is a reader insert for these readers and it shows not just with sex but also with how they judge his character overall. It's not only heteronormative and queer-reductive but also very misogynistic. Kinda ironic when most of them are women/girls themselves

    zippycappypappy December 9, 2025 7:41 pm
    Yep. the bottom is a reader insert for these readers and it shows not just with sex but also with how they judge his character overall. It's not only heteronormative and queer-reductive but also very misogynist... Tonikaku

    Oh I'd argue almost all homophobia in itself stems from misogyny, hence why I didn't mention it. Homophobia in general is a condemnation of the idea that a man could "take the woman's role".

    We in society so denigrate the postion of women, that a man taking any position even resembling that, is worthy of shame and disgust.

    Tonikaku December 9, 2025 7:43 pm
    Oh I'd argue almost all homophobia in itself stems from misogyny, hence why I didn't mention it. Homophobia in general is a condemnation of the idea that a man could "take the woman's role". We in society so de... zippycappypappy

    Valid

    seayoonie December 9, 2025 8:30 pm

    especially considering being verse is extremely common in real life relationships. i went to school for wgss so the comments on this site are fr a case study

    mimiko December 9, 2025 8:39 pm
    especially considering being verse is extremely common in real life relationships. i went to school for wgss so the comments on this site are fr a case study seayoonie

    LMAO and its also extremely common to have preferences and not everyone likes a dick up their ass

    mimiko December 9, 2025 8:41 pm

    Thank god most bl authors have fixed positions for their characters

    zippycappypappy December 9, 2025 11:40 pm
    LMAO and its also extremely common to have preferences and not everyone likes a dick up their ass mimiko

    It isn't extremely common. The percentage of queer folk who have *never* been penetrated is close to none - compare that to manhwa stats lmao.

    Close to a majority label themselves as verse at anywhere from 32% at the lowest ends (where there is a lot of non-exclusive categorization) to 47%. In contrast, exclusive tops and bottoms are only around 4-8% each, with preferences ranging from 18% to 23%.

    And note, that's *preference* data, meaning even though they have a preference, they aren't exclusive. That fraction is EXTREMELY fringe. Yet it makes up 99% of all manga/manhua.

    Its ok to admit you have nothing backing you love.