Y'all loving the story so far but...

The author just hates their mc and you're so right. It's like how gege treats gojo

Agree with all this. The starting premise is so depressing, but I decided to give it a try since I've read so many comments gassing this up. But. The more I read the more I'm just, ??? He's not wrong??? Why is he being treated like he's the problem???

YOU GET IT OMFGGG THEYRE TRYING SO HARD TO MAKE HIM EVIL AND WRONG WHEN MOST OF THE TIME HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

As someone neurodivergent who grew up and works in east Asia, I don’t think the members were portrayed unrealistically at all. I’m am very much like Eden, a blunt individual, and holy shit did my old workplace hate me for being that way. I was always told for being in the wrong for speaking up about what is wrong about things, which pisses me off because if it weren’t for me, they would’ve been constantly beating around the bush and waste everyone’s time???

Because people were raised to be “polite” in East Asian society, whenever someone says anything that may hurt people’s feelings even if it’s just pure honesty, they can’t take it and take full offense to it without trying to understand why that was even being said in the first place.

Thankfully, not everyone is unreceptive to bluntness. I have found friends who appreciated my personality and so has Eden with his music producer friends who treats him well because they know Eden is a really good guy. It just sucks that Eden’s teammates only started accepting Eden because of the system’s interference. If it were me, I would’ve just left the group because why should I bother hanging out with people who can’t accept me for who I am? But the system forces Eden to stay there so I feel so bad for Eden _(:3 」∠)_.

Maybe it's bc I'm a south East Asian but genuinely they are portrayed unrealistically imo, most asians and locals where I'm from and have been to (other SEA countries) are all taught and socialized into a very blunt ( all be it in a less aggressive tone ) way of speaking to everyone. Also I've been to Korea and have Korean locals as friends and legit they'll never be this soft especially Korean men maybe we're in different parts of Asia or smth (Asia is big asf) but I'm also coincidentally another Neurodivergent person lol , and yea sometimes I myself have gotten in trouble for my tone of speaking and stuff but definitely not as frequent as Eden cus he's getting blasted for every word

I'm a very big fan of the whole novel also the manhwa so I really wanted to clarify this. I think you guys are the one misunderstanding the whole story and each of the members connections, diversity, and personality.

First of all, I wanted to claim that i love Eden SOOOO much he basically my bias. And as I'm a novel reader, no, author NEVER hated Eden. I even think Eden is author's favourite. The author basically made him a very charming, talented, funny, and confident person, who has a bad tongue and rude but is extremely good at heart and is more sentimental than he seems.

(His real character will be revealed more as the story goes, and Eden is so charming that its impossible for anyone to hate him)

There are proper reasons WHY the system "forced him" to be like what he is now.

If you dont mind a little spoiler... please do read this.

1. This one is not a spoiler. The story literally begins here. He announced his leave on THEIR annivesary, suddenly, without telling the member and discussing about him leaving to the members. Basically he is selfish and is arrogant when he decided to left because he was already a famous songwriter. He didn't think of what his and reve's fans was feeling when he did this on their anniversary. If you still think Eden did nothing wrong after reading this, i think you don't have to continue reading because you would not understand the rest of it.

2. From the start he never had a good relationship with the members, because,

A. To yehyun, all he ever said BEFORE was "yo you have no skill, you just have your face" without knowing how HARD yehyun works to improve himself. Even yehyun himslef knows that his biggest charm is his face so he's taking sooooo much care of his appearance and the group's diet etc. (Like not allowing them to have fast food etc)

B. To Dobin, who is used to be bullied by being called "names" he hated how Eden always called him "dobby" and continued to do that even though he already said not to. He also misunderstood eden's rudeness as "evil" because Eden NEVER actually thinks about how other people feel about him.

C. To Hajun, Eden make a big mistake and basically help his enemies. Plus Eden is so insensitive and ignorant of what he did. Hajun also thinks Eden as precious friends but he thought Eden didn't think much of him.

D. To jaehee... well not much. Jaehee is the smartest of all, and the one that admires Eden the most. He really likes Eden, but Eden didn't like Jaehee as much. He never tried to KNOW who Jaehee is, and never cared.

Basically, he put a HUGE wall between him and the members. He hated how in the past the one that makes the group rise is Yehyun's face that HE insulted as the only thing he have. Its back to his prideful side. Continued by how he never thought of building any realtionship with them, never spends any time with them while still saying a lot of hurtful things to them. If you still think this is super normal, I don't think you are a very good friend.

3. Of course its not as if the other member did nothing wrong. They did too, but the system stays in Eden, so they tried to make Eden CARE more about the team. They made Eden realize how he should treasures his members and his fans, and Eden was very glad of it. Eden ended up happier once he "change" his true self but bad side (because he also has TON of good qualities) that is insensitive and rude and uncaring. Because Eden started to change, other members did too.

4. Idk in your country, but in my country UNLESS you are close enough, rude words are off limits. Lets remember this. Reve is a group of bunch people that are strangers. They are, as you said PROFESIONALS and coworker. And you are bound to be more sensitive to what people you are not close to yoj saod than to your close friends.

Imagine you are at work and suddenly your not so close coworker said "you have no skills, you must entered through some kind of backhanded means arent you?" Or if your coworker called you names that YOU didn't like every single day.


Contrary to what you listed, i think the members are potrayed VERY realistically. Good for you if people around you are never as sensitive as that, and you too, are not sensitive. But just know that probably means you are another Eden and maybe some people out there that afe not close enough to you are misunderstanding your intentions.

If you pay attention, Eden dis say "i never think about whata other thinks of me cuz I hangs out with people that like me". Cu they're 100% friends that are created through interest. While Reve, are a bunch of strangers that NEEDS to works together despite whether or not their personality matched each other or not.

To me, Eden is charming precisely because he IS NOT perfect. The has flaws, changed them, realized his mistakes and become MUCH better he became the best boy to ever exist. This is the Eden that I love and I would never defend on his or members past mistakes. Not just Eden, everyone in the group grows up as they got closer.

The author didn't make Eden the bad guy, he DID make a mistake. Does the members free of mistakes? Not they aren't. But the systems resides on Eden. They can only make EDEN change, and Eden himself can only change himself, not others. Other people change too eventually but its because they see how eden changed for better, not because Eden CHANGED them.

You said here that yehyun was putting the blames on Eden by telling him "you should've told him that". You really think a person who thinks of himself as "nothing much" in that person eyes would have the audacity and courage to ask "bro wdyt of me?"

Yehyun didn't blame Eden, he is basically telling Eden how there's misunderstanding and through Eden actions, Hajun didn't understand how much Eden treasures him and told him to convey that properly through words. HOW IS THAT BLAMING?? HOW IS THAT MAKING EDEN EVIL? Its an ADVICE given by Yehyun of all people. You saod that eden wasn't even rude although his words are indeed bad, but you said that yehyun giving Eden's advice and realization is making him evil... like, isn't that kinda double standard?

And Hajun is indeed sulking, and even him sulking is part of his characters, it was what create a conflict between people. Like, still the same. You can let Eden stay true to himself but being rude but Hajun isn't allowed to sulk?? Like he is just sulking, he is not hurting anyone. Its like you guys have never had an argument with your friend and have a bit of cold war.

Sorry i make a bad sentence on the first point. Iy was very bad and would definitely cause misunderstanding.

When I said
"without telling the member and discussing about him leaving to the members."

I meant he didnt tell the members or discussed with him that he would say he was leaving the group because his contract ended on their 7th anniversary celebration. And he even did that on purpose.

In your words yes it does come off that way , but wholeheartedly THIS DOESN'T COME ACROSS THE SAME WAY IN THE MANHWA. if it did , I woulda been getting wayy more people defending the author in the comments, but really while Eden IS FLAWED, I NEVER SAID HE WASN'T. the "punishment" he got for his flawed VERY HUMAN behaviors are wayy too much. And that's what I commented on, I'm not saying he shouldn't be reprimanded or despised for his blunt and sometimes rude words, I'm saying HE IS UNJUSTIFIEDLY PUNISHED. in this story, multiple times other characters and people have been rude to him equally if not ruder but they were never crucified for what they did unlike how Eden is.
Personally, Eden wouldn't be my bias and that's bc I simply don't indulge in having biases and stuff like like, I don't Stan and I don't live my life with much interest in idols or artists, so from my perspective the "punishments" and penalities are genuinely insane. And one point Abt professionalism : when one is faced with fiery and a blunt personality like Eden, dyk what's the professional route against that? COMMUNICATION, you would first state ; "oh this specific thing you did is in my opinion unprofessional and I wouldn't tolerate that kinda words to me again in our next interactions"
But EVERY SINGLE CHARACTERS in here doesn't do that, they'll say this instead " you seriously don't understand what you did wrong?" WHICH IS WEIRD, AND THEN THEY SULK AND FIGHT AND I'D ARGUE THEY'RE ALSO NOT BEING PROFESSIONAL.


so pardon me if I genuinely think the writing is ass, bc it is quite appalling that it's just gassed up.

You are judging based on their pure reaction and didnt consider their characters at all. You didnt consider how they are feeling when they are facing someone like Eden. It was indeed not written because sometimes, IT DIDNT NEED to be written or HAS NOT YET been explained. Not that the writing is ass.

Because Eden probably keep doing those overly blunt rude things REPEATEDLY, without feeling any remorse despite seeing their members didnt like it. He thinks he is the right one. And its not to my writing, the story itself is like that??? All I said comes out of the story, it was not my headcanon. The story and characters are not shallow at all thats why I know.

He was being punished by the system, yes, but it was all for avoiding doing all of them REPEATEDLY. And in the end, he did lost everything because he never learned his mistake. Eden is stubborn. If not by doing things like this, he may not realize his mistake. Little spoilet but this bad behaviour even in front of camera made him suffer and mass would not believe in him when rumours about him start circulating. So youre clearly not thinking far enough on the consequences that Eden HAD FACED in the future because of how had he behaved as he likes.

For example, think in Yehyun's shoes. Hey, Eden himself used to be extremely unprofessional on daily basis. He would tell Yehyun off and Yehyun would explode in front of him and they would fight all the time. Not once but A LOT OF TIMES. This should be enough to show how Eden is not just blunt but kinda rude and didnt care if he hurt someone (Oh and it was TOLD inside the manhwa btw, it should be enough hints btw.), which means Yehyun has EXPRESSED his dislike and was ignored by Eden.

And would people who was insulted on daily basis, and had probably shown their dislike towards the action by getting angry and get ignored, still have energy to say things in a super proffesional way and politely, when Eden himself is not polite? You are calling them unrealistic, I think you are the unrealistic one for hoping such a polite communication on a casual coworker relationship (not a fully proffesional one) like theyre living in the same DORM. Communication didnt work for eden. That was how bad Eden was. He was as stubborn as a mule and only by coercing him, he can fix his flaws that could be BAD for him if it wasnt fixed.

And its not like the punishmemt was anythinh too extreme. It was pretty docile, like adding -nya at the end of his every sentence, it was VERY DOCILE. He was struck by electricity a few times but nothinh was actually bad for his body. It was like an asian mom slapped u because ur being a spoiled brat.

In Hajun case, theyre not strangers with Eden like the rest of the members. Still, they have a wall between them. Theyre just awkward, and its not like Eden is doing anything either when they had they cold wars? He didnt even take action to ask Hajun first, until Yehyun come and told him the misunderstanding. Why? They both SUCK at communicating. Thats kinda the whole point.... Their friendship is an awkward one. Eden is weak to Hajun, he never thought anything that Hajun did is unforgiveable. While Hajun just thought Eden didnt care. Have you really never had a fight like this with ur friends or family? Or is it when you did you just gave up?

What I understand is that this story probably isnt suitable for you if thats still ur opinion after reading this far and yiu are not.planning to change that mind

First of all yes , I've had fights like this with family and friends but the difference is that irl relationships are built on years of experience with unexplainable stories and layers and in a story such as this, if your audience aren't able to make out these intricate details without you as the author having to spell it out for them, it meant that your writing is still weak and you haven't thoroughly expanded on your character's relationship yet, when that happens the impact that you as the author intended WOULDN'T come across to all of your readers.

I am here criticizing an author's words and you're here, the insanely attached reader who when your favorite writing is discussed you took it as a personal attack and now have tried to relate my take on a FICTIONAL character to MY, A STRANGER'S PERSONAL LIFE .
that's weird....

Yea I was commenting to put more perspectives into the comments section WHICH IS THERE FOR DISCUSSION, so that others who came to this story page doesn't only see the positives of the story and can still think abt it in a critical light. I was hoping to find maybe someone who can accurately justify if not give explanations on why the author are taking shit to the extreme on a simple character whose behavior is extremely normal human stuff , (btw js bc a punishment isn't "fatal" to the body, it can still affect him, not you glazing over the punishment of eternal damnation of regression and vomiting blood that can literally fuck up people mentally and immediately going to the mild punishments...) instead you doubled down on the author's decision and have yet again proved that some ppl really do be punishing charaters that did barely any thing in the scale of reality.

Oh yeah well im very attached to this story I wont deny that. But I also started this as a discussion though... i stated everything objectively as a reader but you seem to really dislike the discussion I replied and started to call the writing "ass". That's no longer discussion over there but insult. You may not like this, and I first come here to clarify that and told you that its a bit to early to judge and all. Its a long explanation but I tried to be as polite as possible. If I was rude, I'm sorry.i suck at english....

And You ask why do I relate this to your personal life? It doesnt have anything to do with whether you are stranger or not. But it was because it seems like you didn't realize what "realistic" was like thats why I relating this to "reality". Common reality that everyone went through. And you do admitted that you went through the same don't you? That means the "unrealistic" part is already not valid, no?

Well I'm really sorry if that sounds rude as English is my third languange, but that's all I intended to say when I mentioned your personal life. You sid you couldn't emphatize, so I assume you never experienced that, and what is the easiest way of making sure of that? Asking about your life experience. Its not that deep? Just general questions of "have you ever?" Or "Dont you ever?" Or "so you did, but you did this?"

Your reading comprehension also stems from you life experience as well. What is werid about that?

Anyway im sorry for everything and that things got heated. I guess it also frustates me that you still couldn't see and understand what I was trying to convey due to my lack of explanation skill. I was trying a bit hard to make you understand what the story was like and that it was never ass at all, but it ended up sounding very rude for you. I was never picking a fight with you though. If you read it all, 90% of what I wrote is explaining what actually was happening and what I thought you missed during reading this along with my opinion about your comments. I was simply basing my opinion on what happened in the story and basically explaining what might the author be intending.

Lets just stop here since it seems that this will never end. We seem to have a very different view in both this manhwa and life itself. Thank you for taking your time on replying though.