why the fuck did this become a whole ass essay writing contest. i was attacking those who defend or JUSTIFY what eunhyuk did to sooae(the ghosting then acting like nothing happened) i literally repeated the words "justify" and "excuses" to emphasize that i was referring to those who are justifying his ghosting. and bfr why would you want sooae to end up with someone who can't properly communicate and ghosted her for a decade and acting as if he never did all of that? yall js want her to throw all her self respect away atp. and yeah sure, my mistake for not adding "they justify him either bcs he WAS good before he ghosted her, he's handsome, or ppl js hate dowha/sooe".
never really commented or dismissed that eunhyuk treated sooae good before. i js don't have attachment issues for a character likr that. bcs no matter how good he treated her, he still left no? with no closure at that
I'm not being abelist, if you're diagnosed with autism I can atleast understandand why you're so obsessed over this? Not one person defends a character this much to the point they are writing paragraphs to insult a person's way of thinking and persuade them that they are wrong. And who am I? Nobody. And so are you lol. You're entitled to think you're different and that we should recognize you're correct to speak for a group of people who worship a fictional man. You truly do not have self respect if you contantly have the need to respond with paragraphs to everyone in this thread who somehow opposes what you believe. Also, if you're on the internet, you should expect people to insult REAL people aswell? It's like it's the first time you've read an insult and you're handling it in a horrible way to embarrass yourself. If i were you I'd just shut the fuck up lol
"When I’m ‘defending’ him, I'm not excusing his ghosting," then you're not the target of my comment? it's as clear as a day on what kind of defenders im referring to
You literally said 'defending a man who isn't even fucking real is either another level of insanity or autism', that is textbook ableism. You used autism as an insult and a negative comparison. Now you're backtracking and saying 'if you're diagnosed with autism I can understand why you're so obsessed', that's STILL ableist. You're using autism to pathologize my behavior and dismiss my argument. ‘Not one person defends a character this much', I'm not even defending the character that hard. I'm responding to OP, who insulted Eunhyuk ‘defenders' self-respect. You keep missing this point. ‘You should expect people to insult REAL people on the internet', so because insults are common, I should just accept them? That's your argument? By that logic, I should expect you to accept my responses too, yet here you are telling me to 'shut the fuck up,’ lol. YOU are the one who came at me with hostility and ableist comments. I am simply responding back to you. If you can't handle someone pushing back against your insults, maybe take your own advice. You just threw insults and are now mad I didn't roll over and take it.
I appreciate you clarifying. That said, your original comment didn't come across that way to me. You said 'how does he still have defenders' and 'people justify his ass and make excuses because they either find him handsome or just hate sooae and dowha', that reads as a blanket dismissal of all Eunhyuk defenders, not just the ones excusing the ghosting specifically. The 'how does he still have defenders' line especially made it seem like you couldn't understand why anyone would still like him at all. I think that's where the disconnect happened. If you meant to only target people who think the ghosting was justified or acceptable, that intent got lost in how it was worded. Either way, I get your perspective even if we don't fully agree. I appreciate you actually explaining what you meant instead of just being dismissive like some others in this thread. Sorry this turned into such a mess.
yeah miscommunication happens, i guess my wordings were vague but i was really only attacking those who justified his actions and making excuses for him js so they could squeeze in the sooae+eunhyuk agenda since there were a lot of them on diff platform. however, i don't even know how this became an argument regarding with ableism
Oh, the ableism part wasn't directed at you at all, that came from one specific person who jumped into the thread. They said defending Eunhyuk was 'either insanity or autism' and then doubled down on it when I called it out. That's where all of that came from, not from your original comment. I think if others had just let us clarify instead of jumping in with insults and condescension, this whole thing wouldn't have spiraled the way it did. But anyway, glad we got it sorted out.
I shouldn’t have mentioned or referenced autism at all, especially when describing you as a person. That was wrong. That said, writing multiple hostile paragraphs over a fictional character is still excessive and doesn’t make your argument any better. I’ve already said what I needed to say. If you’re going to keep nitpicking every sentence to victimize yourself, you’re no different from other Eunhyuk fans who exaggerate Dohwa’s flaws to validate their point. You clearly do not know when is the correct time to use this level of intensity and you wouldv'e made more sense if this was a serious matter
Okay, thanks for acknowledging the autism part. However, the rest of your comment is still dismissive. I was not being 'hostile’ I was responding to you and the others who mocked me when I explained my position. You're framing my responses as 'excessive' whenyou were the one who escalated by likening my response to insanity, then the ableism and then telling me to 'shut the fuck up.' If you had approached me differently, we wouldn’t be in this situation. It could’ve been an amicable conversation. Also, I'm not victimizing myself or nitpicking every sentence, I'm holding you accountable for what you actually said. Those were your own words I quoted. And I’m not exaggerating Dohwa's flaws to validate anything. I never even attacked Dohwa. So what you said about me being no different from ‘other Eunhyuk fans who exaggerate Dohwa’s flaws to validate their point‘ is not exactly relevant to this conversation. My entire point was about how people in this fandom were treating each other, not about the characters themselves. You don't get to use ableist insults, give a half-apology, and then lecture me about 'intensity' and what's a 'serious matter.' Using a disability as an insult is a serious matter. And being unnecessarily hostile and dismissive to people over their preferences in a manwha is not right.
lol my apologies I was acc replying to op’s point, your point is valid and I acc agree. Its mad wild to attack someone just cause they support a character, like I get where they’re coming from if they’re just talking about eunhyuk but like attacking people who are just commenting about a fictional character is just weird and so brain dead
No absolutely bcs i just know they’re gonna make him end game with the way he keeps interfering/showing up or wtv, i just genuinely wish they’d stop giving them such shitty reasons for moving away and never contacting someone for “some reason they apparently can’t explain” no amount of explaining or asking for forgiveness could ever make a person forgive you for literally abandoning them
It’s obviously a hypothetical to validate his reasons for leaving. Please don’t take it literally as if I’m trying to say that’s what the reason is.
Using autism as an insult while contradicting yourself is genuinely crazy. You literally said all that about Eunhyeok not being real and then went on to say why you think he’s horrible. That’s practically the same as defending him, you know that right?
whatever reason eunhyuk has, it is still not valid to ghost someone for a decade then comeback as if nothing happened. people just justify his ass and make excuses bcs they either find him handsome or just hate sooae and dowha