(i know everyone is going to hate me for this, but....) I am so bored right now! enough wi...

As I said I'm not going to continue this discussion with you because your arguments make no sense at all. I'm also pretty sure you're drunkposting.

We've reached the point where you have to explain to people that you don't read Kuroshitsuji because of fluffy cuteness...
That shouldn't be a thing.

However, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to argue with the very "enthusiastic" part of the fandom. If Kuroshitsuji turned into a SoL/romance they would still defend it.

this is very true, sadly. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
We were having such a nice conversation and someone has to be a poor sport about it.

I think you're missing the point of the flashbacks, though? They don't want to explain our!Ciel, they want to explain the twins relationship. So you can't say it's nothing new. Yana is introducing a new character, after all. We didn't know anything about real!Ciel before the flashbacks happened. We still don't know what happened the day they were kidnapped. WHO kidnapped them. WHY. I believe it isn't as simple as you make it seem. If it had just been a random cult kidnapping, Yana wouldn't have put so much emphasis on it. There's more. There must be a twist in here, somewhere.
I mean, maybe a pause between the flashbacks would have been nice, but I think it feels longer than necessary mostly because we have to wait an entire month for every chapter. I bet when it's over and you read it all together it won't feel as long anymore :)

I guess it's because i already picked up all the hints and whatnot, so i kind of already have a feel for this real ciel's character, prior to this. i can never decide if the cult kidnapping was planned or not? Like, they just were experimenting and trying to summon a demon themselves. anyone would want to attack the phantom hives, for obvious reasons, but yes, i want to know who. Or was someone pulling the strings in the back ground? i know they murdered his parents, took them both? or at least our ciel for sure? Pretty positive it was both, after the green which arc. And set the house on fire. and mr.badass tanaka lived somehow? out shopping that night?? lol
P.S. thanks for being so nice :)

Yeah, I understand that. I knew about the twin a year or so before it happened, so it does seem a bit like an overkill to put such emphasis on the flashbacks and their relationship before he "died" (or whatever happened to him). Still, this must lead to something. Possibly bigger than we can imagine. Or at least that's the kind of expectation Yana is building up in me after all this, I hope she won't disappoint! :'D I could totally agree with you later in the story, if it turns out that the flashbacks weren't foreshadowing anything at all, but I'll suspend judgement until then.
Also, being nice should be a given, so there's really no need to thank me! All of us should be able to express our opinions, we all love Kutoshitsuji after all <3

ever think maybe the queen really did order it, like in the anime? I still get curious about her damn butler. He is so not human. hmmm, maybe, real ciel hates sebastian because he killed him?? He said in the chapter, "So you are sebastian". something about this being the first time they actually met or something. Maybe, like in circus, our ciel ordered him to kill everyone. Maybe he didn't know his bro was still alive? That would be interesting. and agni, who killed him? i think it was real ciel, but the guy just seemed so much taller?? lol, vision perception.

It could be anything at this point, really. Sometimes I think it could be the Queen who ordered it, but at the same time it almost seems too obvious. I don't know :/ I'm still not sure real!Ciel is even dead. If he ever died. I do suspect that the one who killed him was our!Ciel, but who knows at this point? They seemed to have a lovely relationship, so it doesn't make sense, but... I still believe he did. Maybe it was a mistake. Maybe not. Sebastian told him he had paid the price, but technically, for how we know things now, the ones who scarified real!Ciel were the cult people, not our!Ciel, so why did Sebastian chose him? Why would he say that? Our!Ciel MUST have done something.
As for the one who killed Agni... I think real!Ciel must have been with someone else. I don't know who, though.

it's so confusing trying to figure this all out. haha, maybe undertaker killed agni?? i don't know who else would of just walked inside with real ciel and killed someone.

Yeah, I sometimes I think the queen has something to do with it, too. I mean, many of the basic concepts of the anime original arcs were also used in the manga (not the same stories, of course, that would've been boring) so it's possible that the queen was involved in it somehow.
Other than that I also wonder if Vincent's (maybe also his wife) still alive. We still don't know who Master Sirius is. All we have is a silhouette, an arm and he said "Come here child..." (Ch.115, p. 23). The arm looks like it belongs to someone who suffers from severe burns. Maybe when the Undertaker said how the Earl of Phantomhive wasn't dead he meant Vincent and not Ciel (at this point realCiel also wasn't the Earl. He still isn't. Even MC had to be appointed by the queen and Ciel has never been appointed by her).
Then there's still the question why MC even took the name "Ciel Phantomhive". He didn't do it to become the Earl. As the only living son (and everybody thought only one son survived) he could've become the Earl anyway.
In the ship arc MC calls the name Ciel Phantomhive a cursed name. Besides, we know that instead of hunting down the people who are responisble for what happened to his family, he waits for them to come to him. Maybe that's why he chose to take his name. Maybe he thought/knew that they would only come for "Ciel Phantomhive" and not "Whatever-the-fuck-his-name-is Phantomhive". However, I have no idea why it could be like this (if it's true).

all such great questions! We need answers!